DWM Piece

rexmerdinus · 10-10-2014, 05:38 PM

Greetings all!

My father recently acquired this piece and he, computer illiterate that he is, asked me to post it to get some more info on its origin and history, as well a some opinions on its value to see if he got ripped off or not. The bluing is about 85-90%. Some of the close up pictures show some brownish debris, but it is just dust. We know it's a DWM, and based on the serial number we guess it to be late 1920's, commercial, and possibly police. The serial numbers all match, including the two magazines, and the holster is alleged to have been made in a concentration camp, but we have no way of verifying that. Beyond that, we don't know much. The pictures can be found on my Shutterfly album: https://dwmluger.shutterfly.com/pictures

Thanks in advance for your expertise!

Jason

Edward Tinker · 10-10-2014, 07:53 PM

Jason, welcome to the forum.

What your dad has is a commercially made (originally in 30 luger - aka 7.65mm) and proofed DWM luger, made in about 1929 ( r ) suffix, and went to the Berlin armory, where it received a 9mm barrel (acceptance marked with Simson eagle 33's)

Then received a sear safety and mag safety (notice the mag safety has been cut, this was required and is correct).

How much did he pay?

I think its a very nice, 2 matching mag (police mags are marked 1 and 2, while army would be marked nothing and a + for the 2nd mag)

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2014, 09:29 PM

A very respectable Police pistol! I would say the shoulder holster is a post war GI ordered made ..made by a German Saddler perhaps. Looks to have German roller buckle's. Rather quickly made..wraparound style with a wide pouch for the magazine..nothing form fitted but certainly adequate for carry. Nothing the German Police would have used though. I wonder..will this overly large magazine pouch fit both mags?

Nice Haenel marked magazines. I would guess your Father likely paid $2500.

rexmerdinus · 10-10-2014, 10:51 PM

Thanks for the info. He actually paid a bit less than that and has had several offers of $1400+ to buy it from him. I forgot to mention that the barrel is 3-7/8 inches. Not sure if that matters.

Jason

rhuff · 10-11-2014, 04:41 PM

It is a very nice looking DWM luger that started life as a commercial model and then went through some changes and duty, as outlined above. To me, that would be a keeper, and I would be proud to own it. It is in wonderful condition for it's age, and "travels".

rexmerdinus · 10-11-2014, 06:26 PM

I'm pretty sure the mag pouch is only intended for one mag, but both might fit.

ithacaartist · 10-11-2014, 06:47 PM

I don't mean to harsh anyone's buzz, but since no one else has mentioned it, here goes...

Jason, please do one more bit of work for the community here: Upload your pics of this pistol and post them here on out site directly. Third party-hosted albums come and go, along with their sites. Here, these documents of your pistol are preserved, both for future Luger freaks to learn from, and as a safe place to keep them, should anything happen to other places they might be kept!

rexmerdinus · 10-12-2014, 08:48 AM

Can and will! I actually thought I was doing the forum a courtesy by not taking up extra space with the photos. Is there a limit to the file sizes I can upload?

sheepherder · 10-12-2014, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rexmerdinus

Is there a limit to the file sizes I can upload?

When you click the 'Manage Attachments' box, you'll see a list of file types & their max sizes.

rexmerdinus · 10-12-2014, 11:58 AM

hrmm. Most of what I put up are on the order of 5MB, but the max file size is 195KB, so I'll have to see if I can shrink them down a bit.

I'm becoming a Luger freak myself!

Ron Wood · 10-12-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rexmerdinus

...I'm becoming a Luger freak myself!

Uh-oh...you do realize that it is virtually incurable?!

rexmerdinus · 10-13-2014, 10:00 AM

Kinda figured!

I'm fascinated by the history in each piece, much the same as I am with coins. This is actually the second one I've posted about. The first was a WWII piece in about 95%+ condition that a local elderly widow brought to me for consignment (I'm an FFL). I didn't have the cash on hand to give her what it was worth myself, but did sell it to my dad for her, so hopefully I'll wind up with it in 30 more years or so!

10-10-2014, 05:38 PM	#1
rexmerdinus User Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 23 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	DWM Piece Greetings all! My father recently acquired this piece and he, computer illiterate that he is, asked me to post it to get some more info on its origin and history, as well a some opinions on its value to see if he got ripped off or not. The bluing is about 85-90%. Some of the close up pictures show some brownish debris, but it is just dust. We know it's a DWM, and based on the serial number we guess it to be late 1920's, commercial, and possibly police. The serial numbers all match, including the two magazines, and the holster is alleged to have been made in a concentration camp, but we have no way of verifying that. Beyond that, we don't know much. The pictures can be found on my Shutterfly album: https://dwmluger.shutterfly.com/pictures Thanks in advance for your expertise! Jason

10-10-2014, 07:53 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Jason, welcome to the forum. What your dad has is a commercially made (originally in 30 luger - aka 7.65mm) and proofed DWM luger, made in about 1929 ( r ) suffix, and went to the Berlin armory, where it received a 9mm barrel (acceptance marked with Simson eagle 33's) Then received a sear safety and mag safety (notice the mag safety has been cut, this was required and is correct). How much did he pay? I think its a very nice, 2 matching mag (police mags are marked 1 and 2, while army would be marked nothing and a + for the 2nd mag) __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-10-2014, 09:29 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	A very respectable Police pistol! I would say the shoulder holster is a post war GI ordered made ..made by a German Saddler perhaps. Looks to have German roller buckle's. Rather quickly made..wraparound style with a wide pouch for the magazine..nothing form fitted but certainly adequate for carry. Nothing the German Police would have used though. I wonder..will this overly large magazine pouch fit both mags? Nice Haenel marked magazines. I would guess your Father likely paid $2500. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-11-2014, 06:47 PM	#7
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 7,448 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	I don't mean to harsh anyone's buzz, but since no one else has mentioned it, here goes... Jason, please do one more bit of work for the community here: Upload your pics of this pistol and post them here on out site directly. Third party-hosted albums come and go, along with their sites. Here, these documents of your pistol are preserved, both for future Luger freaks to learn from, and as a safe place to keep them, should anything happen to other places they might be kept! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

10-10-2014, 10:51 PM	#4
rexmerdinus User Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 23 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks for the info. He actually paid a bit less than that and has had several offers of $1400+ to buy it from him. I forgot to mention that the barrel is 3-7/8 inches. Not sure if that matters. Jason

10-11-2014, 04:41 PM	#5
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	It is a very nice looking DWM luger that started life as a commercial model and then went through some changes and duty, as outlined above. To me, that would be a keeper, and I would be proud to own it. It is in wonderful condition for it's age, and "travels".

10-11-2014, 06:26 PM	#6
rexmerdinus User Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 23 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I'm pretty sure the mag pouch is only intended for one mag, but both might fit.

10-12-2014, 08:48 AM	#8
rexmerdinus User Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 23 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Can and will! I actually thought I was doing the forum a courtesy by not taking up extra space with the photos. Is there a limit to the file sizes I can upload?

10-12-2014, 11:58 AM	#10
rexmerdinus User Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 23 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	hrmm. Most of what I put up are on the order of 5MB, but the max file size is 195KB, so I'll have to see if I can shrink them down a bit. I'm becoming a Luger freak myself!

10-13-2014, 10:00 AM	#12
rexmerdinus User Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 23 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Kinda figured! I'm fascinated by the history in each piece, much the same as I am with coins. This is actually the second one I've posted about. The first was a WWII piece in about 95%+ condition that a local elderly widow brought to me for consignment (I'm an FFL). I didn't have the cash on hand to give her what it was worth myself, but did sell it to my dad for her, so hopefully I'll wind up with it in 30 more years or so!