Its So Addictive!

UF-28 · 03-16-2014, 03:20 PM

Gents,
Just added to my collection this 41 BYF. As we all know this Luger collecting is highly addictive . I just couldnt stop at one. Been looking at these for a while and finally pulled the trigger. My next target is an artillary luger ,as soon as i escape from the dog house LOL

RJ

cirelaw · 03-16-2014, 03:28 PM

Very Very Nice! Sharp photos~~~~ Eric

stressed · 03-16-2014, 03:30 PM

Nice pistol! Did the byf series use a different blue then the older S/42 lugers? This one appears more "black" then my S/42, or a different shade if you will. Beautiful pistol though, I've been exchanging emails with a gentleman about a byf 41 as we speak as well.

ChrisLL · 03-16-2014, 03:32 PM

Very nice, great looking piece! Congratulations.

Nice photos too!

alvin · 03-16-2014, 03:38 PM

Yes, Black Widow and Artillery are very hot Luger variations. Those two have very distinctive appearance. Artillery with matching stock is hard to come.

cirelaw · 03-16-2014, 03:57 PM

Was the blueing on these different from other models?

Mike Z · 03-16-2014, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Was the blueing on these different from other models?

The Bluing was the same and all other byf's. they do appear darker I think the black grips make them look darker.
UF-22 That's a rear Beauty. Hard to upgrade on that one. Sounds like you have the Luger bug.
Mike Z.

Curss · 03-16-2014, 06:26 PM

Wow, she's purty!

stressed · 03-16-2014, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Z

The Bluing was the same and all other byf's. they do appear darker I think the black grips make them look darker.
UF-22 That's a rear Beauty. Hard to upgrade on that one. Sounds like you have the Luger bug.
Mike Z.

I've fitted black plastic grips to my S/42 and the grips are far darker then the bluing, whereas this gun is far darker and matches the grips.

Did they salt blue these byf's or some other method to save time/materials as they did with the grips?

mrerick · 03-16-2014, 08:15 PM

Mauser salt blued Lugers after mid 1937.

There can be a fair variation in the depth and tone of bluing on these guns. It took them some time to perfect the process, and then they had to deal with wartime demand and shortages...

This one is a particularly nice example.

SN "892y"... Check inside the side trigger plate for the number "9"...

BTW, it's easier to judge the finish if the photos are shot in natural shaded sunlight rather than flash. This and the white background could be contributing to the appearance of the bluing.

Marc

UF-28 · 03-16-2014, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Mauser salt blued Lugers after mid 1937.

There can be a fair variation in the depth and tone of bluing on these guns. It took them some time to perfect the process, and then they had to deal with wartime demand and shortages...

This one is a particularly nice example.

SN "892y"... Check inside the side trigger plate for the number "9"...

BTW, it's easier to judge the finish if the photos are shot in natural shaded sunlight rather than flash. This and the white background could be contributing to the appearance of the bluing.

Marc

Marc ,
I removed the sideplate and YES i did find a # 9 behind it Whats the # 9 for whats its meaning

I will add more photos of the # 9
Also the finish on this pistol is beatiful I will try to upload some in natural lighting

stressed · 03-16-2014, 09:16 PM

Thanks UF28, I'd love to see some pics in natural lighting.

Even the luger forum patch shows the color difference from byf's and others..

so it was noted in its design.

mrerick · 03-16-2014, 09:34 PM

Roger,

Most of the Mauser manufactured Lugers key the trigger plate uniquely to the individual pistol by putting the last two digits of the serial number on the outside, and the first one or two digits plus 1 on the inside.

That confirms that you have the original trigger plate. Only one plate out of 10,000 will be marked in this way.

The fitting of the trigger linkage was done by hand, and is fairly unique for each pistol. It's part of what made the Luger so expensive to manufacture.

For a few years, the first one or two digits themselves appeared on the plate, and some of the plates at the end of production (1942) didn't have anything marked inside.

MArc

UF-28 · 03-16-2014, 10:03 PM

[QUOTE=mrerick;251808]Roger,

That confirms that you have the original trigger plate. Only one plate out of 10,000 will be marked in this way.

Marc,

Only one plate out of 10000?! Is that the way they marked them or is it because they were forced matched. Does this make the the pistol more desirable or change its value in any way? Is there a way to tell what month in 41 it was made?

Roger

mrerick · 03-16-2014, 10:31 PM

This is how they left the factory, which is more desirable than one that was substituted later.

You would have to go through 10,000 guns (into the next lettered block) before you would find one with a 92 on the outside of the trigger plate, and a 9 on the inside. This is the normal way they were marked by Mauser that year.

Yes - the approximate month can be estimated, but I don't have access to my reference book (The Mauser Parabellum) that lists the ones made that year.

Sergio Natali · 03-17-2014, 03:02 AM

Congratulations for your acquisition; you're absolutely right "lugeritis" is a bad bug.
I got it a few years ago, I've not recovered yet!

:-)

mrerick · 03-17-2014, 08:53 AM

Just checked the books...

The BYF "41" date Lugers amounted to just under 130,000 for the year 1941. There were about 5,000 in the "o" block, so the start of each block early in the year was probably in the middle of the months. Tye "42" dates start appearing just after the "z" block.

So, an early "y" block gun was probably late October or early November.

Perhaps a "Halloween Black Widow:!!!

Marc

UF-28 · 03-17-2014, 09:40 AM

Halloween Black Widow

MARC,Now you may be on to something Coining a new luger A Halloween Luger. I LIKE IT !!!!

Roger

blockislander · 03-17-2014, 03:45 PM

Here is my Luger. Is it from the same time period? The bluing also looks pretty dark.

JTD · 03-17-2014, 05:53 PM

Marc, just out of curiosity, what made you doubt the originallity of the side plate on this one? The outter #, font and finish were good match, gun is in very nice original condition, it apears from pics provided. John

03-16-2014, 03:20 PM	#1
UF-28 User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Toms River,NJ Posts: 37 Thanks: 56 Thanked 14 Times in 4 Posts	Its So Addictive! Gents, Just added to my collection this 41 BYF. As we all know this Luger collecting is highly addictive . I just couldnt stop at one. Been looking at these for a while and finally pulled the trigger. My next target is an artillary luger ,as soon as i escape from the dog house LOL RJ Attached Thumbnails

03-16-2014, 03:32 PM	#4
ChrisLL User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: New England Posts: 70 Thanks: 79 Thanked 28 Times in 19 Posts	Very nice, great looking piece! Congratulations. Nice photos too! Last edited by ChrisLL; 03-16-2014 at 03:33 PM. Reason: add

03-16-2014, 06:26 PM	#8
Curss User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 307 Thanks: 304 Thanked 98 Times in 75 Posts	Wow, she's purty! __________________ -Chris

03-16-2014, 08:15 PM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Mauser salt blued Lugers after mid 1937. There can be a fair variation in the depth and tone of bluing on these guns. It took them some time to perfect the process, and then they had to deal with wartime demand and shortages... This one is a particularly nice example. SN "892y"... Check inside the side trigger plate for the number "9"... BTW, it's easier to judge the finish if the photos are shot in natural shaded sunlight rather than flash. This and the white background could be contributing to the appearance of the bluing. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-16-2014, 09:16 PM	#12
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Thanks UF28, I'd love to see some pics in natural lighting. Even the luger forum patch shows the color difference from byf's and others.. so it was noted in its design. __________________ Looking for any Mauser S/42 #89 parts

03-16-2014, 03:28 PM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Very Very Nice! Sharp photos~~~~ Eric

03-16-2014, 03:30 PM	#3
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Nice pistol! Did the byf series use a different blue then the older S/42 lugers? This one appears more "black" then my S/42, or a different shade if you will. Beautiful pistol though, I've been exchanging emails with a gentleman about a byf 41 as we speak as well.

03-16-2014, 03:38 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Yes, Black Widow and Artillery are very hot Luger variations. Those two have very distinctive appearance. Artillery with matching stock is hard to come.

03-16-2014, 03:57 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Was the blueing on these different from other models?

03-16-2014, 09:34 PM	#13
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Roger, Most of the Mauser manufactured Lugers key the trigger plate uniquely to the individual pistol by putting the last two digits of the serial number on the outside, and the first one or two digits plus 1 on the inside. That confirms that you have the original trigger plate. Only one plate out of 10,000 will be marked in this way. The fitting of the trigger linkage was done by hand, and is fairly unique for each pistol. It's part of what made the Luger so expensive to manufacture. For a few years, the first one or two digits themselves appeared on the plate, and some of the plates at the end of production (1942) didn't have anything marked inside. MArc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-16-2014, 10:03 PM	#14
UF-28 User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Toms River,NJ Posts: 37 Thanks: 56 Thanked 14 Times in 4 Posts	[QUOTE=mrerick;251808]Roger, That confirms that you have the original trigger plate. Only one plate out of 10,000 will be marked in this way. Marc, Only one plate out of 10000?! Is that the way they marked them or is it because they were forced matched. Does this make the the pistol more desirable or change its value in any way? Is there a way to tell what month in 41 it was made? Roger

03-16-2014, 10:31 PM	#15
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	This is how they left the factory, which is more desirable than one that was substituted later. You would have to go through 10,000 guns (into the next lettered block) before you would find one with a 92 on the outside of the trigger plate, and a 9 on the inside. This is the normal way they were marked by Mauser that year. Yes - the approximate month can be estimated, but I don't have access to my reference book (The Mauser Parabellum) that lists the ones made that year. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-17-2014, 03:02 AM	#16
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Congratulations for your acquisition; you're absolutely right "lugeritis" is a bad bug. I got it a few years ago, I've not recovered yet! :-) __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

03-17-2014, 08:53 AM	#17
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Just checked the books... The BYF "41" date Lugers amounted to just under 130,000 for the year 1941. There were about 5,000 in the "o" block, so the start of each block early in the year was probably in the middle of the months. Tye "42" dates start appearing just after the "z" block. So, an early "y" block gun was probably late October or early November. Perhaps a "Halloween Black Widow:!!! Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-17-2014, 09:40 AM	#18
UF-28 User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Toms River,NJ Posts: 37 Thanks: 56 Thanked 14 Times in 4 Posts	Halloween Luger. outstanding LOL Halloween Black Widow MARC,Now you may be on to something Coining a new luger A Halloween Luger. I LIKE IT !!!! Roger

03-17-2014, 03:45 PM	#19
blockislander User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 32 Thanks: 5 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	Here's mine from the same era Here is my Luger. Is it from the same time period? The bluing also looks pretty dark. Attached Thumbnails

03-17-2014, 05:53 PM	#20
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	Marc, just out of curiosity, what made you doubt the originallity of the side plate on this one? The outter #, font and finish were good match, gun is in very nice original condition, it apears from pics provided. John