Grip safety 1920 Commercial

CLIFTON · 02-14-2014, 08:14 PM

Just wanted to share pictures of this 1920 Commercial Luger:

CLIFTON · 02-14-2014, 08:18 PM

Sorry, forgot the pictures

Dwight Gruber · 02-14-2014, 09:29 PM

Very, very nice. Serial number?

--Dwight

CLIFTON · 02-14-2014, 10:03 PM

4004n, just 10 numbers apart from the one owned by Dr. Sturgess and sold at Julia auction a few months ago (3994n).

Ron Wood · 02-14-2014, 10:17 PM

That is a dandy! Congratulations and thanks for posting the photos. I assume it is 7.65mm?
Ron

Dwight Gruber · 02-14-2014, 11:35 PM

Thanks much for the serial# info. There are several of these grip safety Alphabet Commercials, and some other noteworthy variations, in the n suffix range. From your photos, your pistol is in nicer condition than 3994n.

--Dwight

CLIFTON · 02-15-2014, 01:03 PM

Dwight and Ron,

Thank you for your comments. Yes, the caliber is 7,65mm and this pistol is in better condition than the one from Dr. Sturgess collection. I think Dr. Sturgess' pistol was import marked since it came into US in 2013 for Julia Auction, right?

mcg · 02-15-2014, 06:41 PM

Guys,
Can you help me understand this alpha. 1920 Luger?
It has an unrelieved sear bar, grip safety, and no stock lug. Isn't this a 1906 commercial?
Thanks for your guidance.
Mark

Ron Wood · 02-15-2014, 07:47 PM

It is a 1906 "style" but the vertical Crown/N proof and the serial number launches it into the 1920s.

Dwight Gruber · 02-16-2014, 01:05 AM

Mark,

A 1920 P08 is a military or police pistol made in 1920 and so marked on the receiver. It has distinctive eagle/ArA4 acceptance marks, and has a no-suffix, a, or b serial number suffx.

"1920 commercial" is an obsolescent term for commercial Lugers made between 1921 and 1929, with a four-digit-with-suffix serial number (beginning with the i suffix) and vertical c/N receiver proofs. Alhough the vast majority of them are P08s with stock lugs, there are noteworthy examples of New Model Parabellum-style pistols within this range, as shown here.

--Dwight

mcg · 02-16-2014, 10:51 AM

Thank you Gentlemen.
Beautiful Luger!

Mark

spartacus38 · 02-16-2014, 11:01 AM

How many were made ?
Bob

Dwight Gruber · 02-16-2014, 11:56 AM

Bob,

Database reports in the i suffix range are 24 Swiss and four commercial. There are also the known 100 Abercrombie & Fitch guns, several of which are in the database and not all of these are authentic.

In the n suffix range there are reports of six Swiss and three commercial.

--Dwight

spartacus38 · 02-16-2014, 02:30 PM

Hi Dwight,
Thank you for the data.
Mine is serial # 2842 I.
It is in 100 % (New) original condition.
Mirror Bore,mint grips.
The mag has not had a cartridge in it.
Sounds like they are rare.
Bob

Dwight Gruber · 02-16-2014, 05:04 PM

Bob,

Thanks for the number. Yes, pretty scarce.

--Dwight

spartacus38 · 02-16-2014, 05:24 PM

Dwight,
Do you have any idea how many of the commercial were made (excluding the Swiss and A&F)?
So with mine that makes 8 recorded of the commercials?
Thank you,
Bob

Dwight Gruber · 02-17-2014, 01:51 AM

Bob,

Not a clue. Yes, eight recorded.

--Dwight

Sergio Natali · 02-17-2014, 02:51 AM

Thanks for sharing with us the pictures of your beautiful Luger.

Ben M. · 02-17-2014, 03:19 PM

simpsons web site has a bunch of these 1920s guns too for swiss. look at page 2,3 in their swiss section.

02-14-2014, 08:14 PM	#1
CLIFTON User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 88 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Grip safety 1920 Commercial Just wanted to share pictures of this 1920 Commercial Luger:

02-14-2014, 08:18 PM	#2
CLIFTON User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 88 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Sorry, forgot the pictures Attached Thumbnails

02-14-2014, 10:17 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	That is a dandy! Congratulations and thanks for posting the photos. I assume it is 7.65mm? Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-15-2014, 01:03 PM	#7
CLIFTON User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 88 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Dwight and Ron, Thank you for your comments. Yes, the caliber is 7,65mm and this pistol is in better condition than the one from Dr. Sturgess collection. I think Dr. Sturgess' pistol was import marked since it came into US in 2013 for Julia Auction, right? Last edited by CLIFTON; 02-15-2014 at 05:23 PM.

02-15-2014, 07:47 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	It is a 1906 "style" but the vertical Crown/N proof and the serial number launches it into the 1920s. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-14-2014, 09:29 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Very, very nice. Serial number? --Dwight

02-14-2014, 10:03 PM	#4
CLIFTON User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 88 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	4004n, just 10 numbers apart from the one owned by Dr. Sturgess and sold at Julia auction a few months ago (3994n).

02-14-2014, 11:35 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Thanks much for the serial# info. There are several of these grip safety Alphabet Commercials, and some other noteworthy variations, in the n suffix range. From your photos, your pistol is in nicer condition than 3994n. --Dwight

02-15-2014, 06:41 PM	#8
mcg Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 90 Thanks: 252 Thanked 28 Times in 20 Posts	Guys, Can you help me understand this alpha. 1920 Luger? It has an unrelieved sear bar, grip safety, and no stock lug. Isn't this a 1906 commercial? Thanks for your guidance. Mark

02-16-2014, 01:05 AM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Mark, A 1920 P08 is a military or police pistol made in 1920 and so marked on the receiver. It has distinctive eagle/ArA4 acceptance marks, and has a no-suffix, a, or b serial number suffx. "1920 commercial" is an obsolescent term for commercial Lugers made between 1921 and 1929, with a four-digit-with-suffix serial number (beginning with the i suffix) and vertical c/N receiver proofs. Alhough the vast majority of them are P08s with stock lugs, there are noteworthy examples of New Model Parabellum-style pistols within this range, as shown here. --Dwight

02-16-2014, 10:51 AM	#11
mcg Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 90 Thanks: 252 Thanked 28 Times in 20 Posts	Thank you Gentlemen. Beautiful Luger! Mark

02-16-2014, 11:01 AM	#12
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	How many were made ? Bob

02-16-2014, 11:56 AM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Bob, Database reports in the i suffix range are 24 Swiss and four commercial. There are also the known 100 Abercrombie & Fitch guns, several of which are in the database and not all of these are authentic. In the n suffix range there are reports of six Swiss and three commercial. --Dwight

02-16-2014, 02:30 PM	#14
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Hi Dwight, Thank you for the data. Mine is serial # 2842 I. It is in 100 % (New) original condition. Mirror Bore,mint grips. The mag has not had a cartridge in it. Sounds like they are rare. Bob

02-16-2014, 05:04 PM	#15
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Bob, Thanks for the number. Yes, pretty scarce. --Dwight

02-16-2014, 05:24 PM	#16
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Dwight, Do you have any idea how many of the commercial were made (excluding the Swiss and A&F)? So with mine that makes 8 recorded of the commercials? Thank you, Bob

02-17-2014, 01:51 AM	#17
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Bob, Not a clue. Yes, eight recorded. --Dwight

02-17-2014, 02:51 AM	#18
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Thanks for sharing with us the pictures of your beautiful Luger. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-17-2014, 03:19 PM	#19
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 476 Thanks: 84 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	simpsons web site has a bunch of these 1920s guns too for swiss. look at page 2,3 in their swiss section.