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CLIFTON 02-14-2014 08:14 PM

Grip safety 1920 Commercial
 
Just wanted to share pictures of this 1920 Commercial Luger:

CLIFTON 02-14-2014 08:18 PM

4 Attachment(s)
Sorry, forgot the pictures

Dwight Gruber 02-14-2014 09:29 PM

Very, very nice. Serial number?

--Dwight

CLIFTON 02-14-2014 10:03 PM

4004n, just 10 numbers apart from the one owned by Dr. Sturgess and sold at Julia auction a few months ago (3994n).

Ron Wood 02-14-2014 10:17 PM

That is a dandy! Congratulations and thanks for posting the photos. I assume it is 7.65mm?
Ron

Dwight Gruber 02-14-2014 11:35 PM

Thanks much for the serial# info. There are several of these grip safety Alphabet Commercials, and some other noteworthy variations, in the n suffix range. From your photos, your pistol is in nicer condition than 3994n.

--Dwight

CLIFTON 02-15-2014 01:03 PM

Dwight and Ron,

Thank you for your comments. Yes, the caliber is 7,65mm and this pistol is in better condition than the one from Dr. Sturgess collection. I think Dr. Sturgess' pistol was import marked since it came into US in 2013 for Julia Auction, right?

mcg 02-15-2014 06:41 PM

Guys,
Can you help me understand this alpha. 1920 Luger?
It has an unrelieved sear bar, grip safety, and no stock lug. Isn't this a 1906 commercial?
Thanks for your guidance.
Mark

Ron Wood 02-15-2014 07:47 PM

It is a 1906 "style" but the vertical Crown/N proof and the serial number launches it into the 1920s.

Dwight Gruber 02-16-2014 01:05 AM

Mark,

A 1920 P08 is a military or police pistol made in 1920 and so marked on the receiver. It has distinctive eagle/ArA4 acceptance marks, and has a no-suffix, a, or b serial number suffx.

"1920 commercial" is an obsolescent term for commercial Lugers made between 1921 and 1929, with a four-digit-with-suffix serial number (beginning with the i suffix) and vertical c/N receiver proofs. Alhough the vast majority of them are P08s with stock lugs, there are noteworthy examples of New Model Parabellum-style pistols within this range, as shown here.

--Dwight

mcg 02-16-2014 10:51 AM

Thank you Gentlemen.
Beautiful Luger!

Mark

spartacus38 02-16-2014 11:01 AM

How many were made ?
Bob

Dwight Gruber 02-16-2014 11:56 AM

Bob,

Database reports in the i suffix range are 24 Swiss and four commercial. There are also the known 100 Abercrombie & Fitch guns, several of which are in the database and not all of these are authentic.

In the n suffix range there are reports of six Swiss and three commercial.

--Dwight

spartacus38 02-16-2014 02:30 PM

Hi Dwight,
Thank you for the data.
Mine is serial # 2842 I.
It is in 100 % (New) original condition.
Mirror Bore,mint grips.
The mag has not had a cartridge in it.
Sounds like they are rare.
Bob

Dwight Gruber 02-16-2014 05:04 PM

Bob,

Thanks for the number. Yes, pretty scarce.

--Dwight

spartacus38 02-16-2014 05:24 PM

Dwight,
Do you have any idea how many of the commercial were made (excluding the Swiss and A&F)?
So with mine that makes 8 recorded of the commercials?
Thank you,
Bob

Dwight Gruber 02-17-2014 01:51 AM

Bob,

Not a clue. Yes, eight recorded.

--Dwight

Sergio Natali 02-17-2014 02:51 AM

Thanks for sharing with us the pictures of your beautiful Luger.

Ben M. 02-17-2014 03:19 PM

simpsons web site has a bunch of these 1920s guns too for swiss. look at page 2,3 in their swiss section.


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