Norinco Luger at Simpsons - Page 2

TheRomanhistorian · 02-09-2014, 11:27 AM

It's a real pity that Norinco didn't make a new Luger in more useful quantities. It seems like someone had to have one (pity it wasn't me!).

As an aside: Seeing that crisp 'Made in China' on a Luger would amuse me as much as seeing the Chinese characters for 'Made in Germany' on a Broomhandle. Historical perspective should make us giggle a bit.

Sergio Natali · 02-09-2014, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRomanhistorian

It's a real pity that Norinco didn't make a new Luger in more useful quantities. It seems like someone had to have one (pity it wasn't me!).

As an aside: Seeing that crisp 'Made in China' on a Luger would amuse me as much as seeing the Chinese characters for 'Made in Germany' on a Broomhandle. Historical perspective should make us giggle a bit.

You are right, but C-96 were a German product, made in Germany and sold also to the Chinese market, so they had to write "Made in Germany" in ideograms.

Instead, being a bit of a purist, (I know I'm a bit boring too) it turns my guts to see a 1911 with "made in China" (or even in Switzerland, or Italy if you prefer) written on it!

Ben M. · 02-09-2014, 04:24 PM

took me some time to find the gun but here is a link so you can sees the photos. seems crudely made. checkering is flat on knobs.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...552db664283ed9

Sieger · 02-09-2014, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

Cute! this is number 1002, 1001 resides in Belgium and I handled and photographed it for our book a few years ago. According to Norconia, the firm's representative in Germany, only 2 were made and one was supposedly damaged during tests.

Hi,

Is there any reason these didn't go into active production?

What happened to the machinery used to manufacture them?

Sieger

sheepherder · 02-09-2014, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by saab-bob

Mauro
I see they gave you credit for your wonderful book!

Simpson's sells the book.

They also sell just the CD separately.

Sergio Natali · 02-10-2014, 04:56 AM

Who could buy a Norinco Luger made in 1990 for about 2k Dollars?
Maybe it's me, but I cannot really understand it.

CJS57 · 02-10-2014, 08:15 AM

A collector who wants every maker of a Luger. Or a Norinco collector looking for every model made. It was well worth the $2000. I would give that to resell for more.

cirelaw · 02-10-2014, 08:19 AM

Is there anything sacred?

Dwight Gruber · 02-10-2014, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nukem556

.....one wonders if this might be a gun that will significantly increase in value, or just be seen as an oddity?

Yes.

And thanks very much for the notification.

--Dwight

TheRomanhistorian · 02-10-2014, 11:02 PM

I would agree with the more positive comments in this thread. As a historian of antiquity and a collector, I appreciate thoughts of some who do not see the point of 'non-genuine' things (though I question what 'non-genuine' or 'not pure' might mean) but different strokes for different folks. A Norinco Luger would have been interesting in mass production and thank you for telling us about it, nukem556. Had I the money then I would certainly have liked it in my own collection as a representation of the enduring fascination people have with the Luger. If Mauser and Norinco could have made an affordable product available even better. Alas, all we have is their aftermath.

Curss · 02-11-2014, 01:29 AM

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If Mauser and Norinco could have made an affordable product available even better. Alas, all we have is their aftermath.

Maybe one day, somebody will tool up and remake the P08 once more. I know if a company remade them I'd buy at least two, one to plink with and one for parts for my older guns.

Dwight Gruber · 02-11-2014, 10:22 AM

Norinco P08 1002 has a new home

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 02-11-2014, 10:29 AM

oh gosh, a member of the forum, who collects lugers - i found the thread a bit humorous from folks who were dogging out 'whomever' bought the Norinco and I knew all along.

I would love to have bought it - it is a unique item that was literally a prototype - those who don't like it because the Chinese made it, I suggest you look at the labels in your house

I would not mind a 'side' collection of each manufacturer

Norme · 02-11-2014, 10:39 AM

Congratulations Dwight, you've got yourself a very rare and interesting Luger. Is that a million Yuan chip under the safety lever?
Best regards, Norm

Curss · 02-11-2014, 11:34 AM

Dwight, if you ever decide to shoot it, please include a range report. I would like to hear how a chinese Luger functions. And congrats! I am envious of your new edition!

John Sabato · 02-11-2014, 12:55 PM

Congrats Dwight. Thanks for sharing. A truely unique Luger pistol. And if you think about it, possibly the LAST P.08 ever manufactured, eh?

John Sabato · 02-11-2014, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

... Is that a million Yuan chip under the safety lever?
Best regards, Norm

Good one Norme...

I wonder how interchangeable the parts are with German made Lugers?

Dwight Gruber · 02-11-2014, 02:19 PM

Norme, "million Yuan chip", made me chuckle.

Curss, haven't decided if I will test fire it. It looks like it has been fired maybe once, and it is truly in 100% condition.

John, parts interchangeablity occurred to me, and it is certainly one of the first things I will check out. Also, I think the special edition Krieghoff probably holds the distinction of Last P08.

--Dwight

alvin · 02-11-2014, 07:24 PM

This one is much rarer than postwar Krieghoff. Those crazy Krieghoffs ... cost a lot.

nukem556 · 02-11-2014, 08:13 PM

Dwight , you sly dog!!! Congrats.....I'm looking on the bright side and seeing it as you saving me 2K, but I bet in 10 years or so, you may have the la$t laugh!

02-09-2014, 11:27 AM	#21
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	It's a real pity that Norinco didn't make a new Luger in more useful quantities. It seems like someone had to have one (pity it wasn't me!). As an aside: Seeing that crisp 'Made in China' on a Luger would amuse me as much as seeing the Chinese characters for 'Made in Germany' on a Broomhandle. Historical perspective should make us giggle a bit. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

02-10-2014, 04:56 AM	#26
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Who could buy a Norinco Luger made in 1990 for about 2k Dollars? Maybe it's me, but I cannot really understand it. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list. Last edited by Sergio Natali; 02-10-2014 at 12:32 PM. Reason: mispelling

02-10-2014, 08:19 AM	#28
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Reguarding China Is there anything sacred?

02-10-2014, 11:02 PM	#30
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	I would agree with the more positive comments in this thread. As a historian of antiquity and a collector, I appreciate thoughts of some who do not see the point of 'non-genuine' things (though I question what 'non-genuine' or 'not pure' might mean) but different strokes for different folks. A Norinco Luger would have been interesting in mass production and thank you for telling us about it, nukem556. Had I the money then I would certainly have liked it in my own collection as a representation of the enduring fascination people have with the Luger. If Mauser and Norinco could have made an affordable product available even better. Alas, all we have is their aftermath. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

02-11-2014, 10:22 AM	#32
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Norinco P08 1002 has a new home --Dwight Attached Thumbnails

02-09-2014, 04:24 PM	#23
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 499 Thanks: 96 Thanked 146 Times in 91 Posts	took me some time to find the gun but here is a link so you can sees the photos. seems crudely made. checkering is flat on knobs. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...552db664283ed9

02-10-2014, 08:15 AM	#27
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	A collector who wants every maker of a Luger. Or a Norinco collector looking for every model made. It was well worth the $2000. I would give that to resell for more.

02-11-2014, 10:29 AM	#33
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	oh gosh, a member of the forum, who collects lugers - i found the thread a bit humorous from folks who were dogging out 'whomever' bought the Norinco and I knew all along. I would love to have bought it - it is a unique item that was literally a prototype - those who don't like it because the Chinese made it, I suggest you look at the labels in your house I would not mind a 'side' collection of each manufacturer __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-11-2014, 10:39 AM	#34
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Congratulations Dwight, you've got yourself a very rare and interesting Luger. Is that a million Yuan chip under the safety lever? Best regards, Norm

02-11-2014, 11:34 AM	#35
Curss User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 307 Thanks: 304 Thanked 98 Times in 75 Posts	Dwight, if you ever decide to shoot it, please include a range report. I would like to hear how a chinese Luger functions. And congrats! I am envious of your new edition!

02-11-2014, 12:55 PM	#36
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Congrats Dwight. Thanks for sharing. A truely unique Luger pistol. And if you think about it, possibly the LAST P.08 ever manufactured, eh? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-11-2014, 02:19 PM	#38
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Norme, "million Yuan chip", made me chuckle. Curss, haven't decided if I will test fire it. It looks like it has been fired maybe once, and it is truly in 100% condition. John, parts interchangeablity occurred to me, and it is certainly one of the first things I will check out. Also, I think the special edition Krieghoff probably holds the distinction of Last P08. --Dwight

02-11-2014, 07:24 PM	#39
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	This one is much rarer than postwar Krieghoff. Those crazy Krieghoffs ... cost a lot.

02-11-2014, 08:13 PM	#40
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Dwight , you sly dog!!! Congrats.....I'm looking on the bright side and seeing it as you saving me 2K, but I bet in 10 years or so, you may have the la$t laugh!