Luger Carbine

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

I never received the prints let me check with Don and find out if they're still available.

You must have piqued Don H's interest...He hasn't posted since 2005, but he was on-site today...

Hello Don!

[Don H.]

I just finished scanning the prints. It took me awhile to find them, after looking at the old posts it's only been ten years. Nothing like putting things off! My problem now is how to post them on this Forum. If I can send them to someone's email and they post them that would be great. I was going to highlight some of the faded lines with a straight edge before scanning them but I just don't have the time. I figured who ever needs them can do that. My email is dhamilton09@comcast.net so who ever wants them just email me. Thanks

[John Sabato]

Thanks Don. Email is on the way. I will get back in touch with Neil and tell him he won't have to snail mail them!


I did get in touch with Neil, and here is his reply:

John,



I did get some prints of the carbine from someone on the Lugerforum years ago, but after looking in my computer save area I do not see them. I will copy the paper of what I have and send them to you. They are not really that specific but good enough to make the parts. I did finish the one I was working on and will send you some of what I have of it. If you would you can put them on the forum.



I’ll try to gather what I have and send them but it may be in a week or 10 days as we are going to the shot show next week.



Neil Keller

[Hub]

I sent John the pictures of the finished carbine to post for me.

[John Sabato]

Don's prints have been emailed to Ed Tinker... so he can make them available for download. I don't have the ability to post something that large (5mb) from my present location. I am sure Ed will take care of it as soon as he can.

Thanks all.

[Don H.]

John, It might take some time but would be nice if someone could freshen them up with a straight edge an pencil before posting them. That's what I was planning on doing but could never find the time. Thanks Don

[John Sabato]

Perhaps one of the members can download what you sent, formalize and upgrade them using AutoSketch or some other CAD program and send them back to me to upgrade the download.

Surely one of the members who has nothing else to do (like *coff* Sheepherder *coff*) can accomplish this!

[Edward Tinker]

I transferred the files to JPG, as it was too big to post; I am sure I lost resolution, if anyone wants them at how I received them, send me an email to ed_tinker@hotmail.com

they are around 5 mb's for the pdf file

Ed

[John Sabato]

Enjoy!

[sheepherder]

A big Thank You! to Don H, Hub, Ed, & John for resurrecting these treasures!!!

I would suggest that they be 'stickied' with appropriate thanks to the creators!

Edit: Hubs carbine is bee-yoo-tee-full!!! Hub seems to have mastered 'strawing'!!!

Originally Posted by John Sabato

Perhaps one of the members can download what you sent, formalize and upgrade them using AutoSketch or some other CAD program and send them back to me to upgrade the download.

Surely one of the members who has nothing else to do (like *coff* Sheepherder *coff*) can accomplish this!

Sadly, 'sheepherder' does his mechanical drawing freehand, with a #2 pencil, on the backs of junk mail envelopes that he saves because he's too cheap to buy ruled notebook paper, much less vellum...

I don't have any computer programs for drawing, like Autocad...IIRC, Autocad costs hundreds of dollars...Maybe $1K by now...

[John Sabato]

Rich , The last full version of Autocad that I have (released in the year 2000) sold for $3400.00...

I haven't even installed it in years. It takes lots of space. I used Autocad professionally for over 14 years... but that was LAST century...

There are some very capable drawing programs available today that are shareware... spend some time with them and you will never pick up your #2 pencil again unless it is to make a grocery list.

[Olle]

I make CAD drawings on a fairly regular basis, and I use a program called DeltaCAD ( http://www.deltacad.com/ ). It is very intuitive and easy to use, almost like MS Paint on steroids. I have used AutoCAD as well, but you almost have to work full time with it to learn and remember how it works. It has so many features that you can't even find the ones you need sometimes. DeltaCAD sure has it's limitations, but it's very easy to pick up and use at any time. It can export and import .dwg and .dxf, so it's compatible with the "big boys" as well.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

Rich , The last full version of Autocad that I have (released in the year 2000) sold for $3400.00...

... ...

... spend some time with them and you will never pick up your #2 pencil again unless it is to make a grocery list.

I make 99% of my 'drawings' on the fly; on envelopes, as I said...Sometimes a sheet of used copier paper...

I had a drawing board and T-square in my closet, up until my last divorce...When a lot of my things mysteriously disappeared...Curiously, my triangles, protractors, & French curves are still here...

[alanint]

A T-Square makes a good club. Maybe you dodged something there.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by alanint

A T-Square makes a good club. Maybe you dodged something there.

She was a nurse. Wouldn't have left a mark.

[Olle]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I make 99% of my 'drawings' on the fly; on envelopes, as I said...Sometimes a sheet of used copier paper...

I had a drawing board and T-square in my closet, up until my last divorce...When a lot of my things mysteriously disappeared...Curiously, my triangles, protractors, & French curves are still here...

One good thing about CAD drawings is that you won't lose the drawing, it can be saved in pristine condition and printed out every time you need a copy in the shop. I used to have notebooks in the shop, where I jotted down sketches and dimensions for future use. It works, but afterwhile they tend to get tattered and soaked in oil and cutting fluid, and some may simply get lost.

I found that it was actually easier to use CAD, as it can do a lot of the math you use when drawing and fabricating parts (finding center lines, radii, diameters of roundovers, divisions etc.). It will also show if you made a mistake when you measured intermediate dimensions, as the overall dimensions won't match, lines won't meet etc.

Nowadays I sketch the part and go directly to the PC to make a CAD drawing. It may sound like overkill for one-off jobs, but sobebody else might need it and it sure saves a lot of time if you one day have to make another part just like it.

[flytrout]

Has anyone converted the drawings into CAD? I have a copy of 2013 autocad if someone needs it. I don't know how to use the thing.

[cirelaw]

I can provide exact measurements if need! ~~Eric

[flytrout]

Hi I need the measurements if the rear sight ass. Thanks

[cirelaw]

Total toggle length is 4.5 inches! If you need more just ask! ~Eric