need more help

Roadkill · 04-14-2002, 04:18 PM

My Police 1918 erfurt is acting up again. The new KKK mag using 62 Finnish ammo last week was very smooth, today would jam if over 3 rds were in mag. Would not feed Wolf at all, (no surprise), would feed only 3 rds of speer 115g fmj,the new mec-gar mag would not feed at all. My AC 44 p38 shot everything fast as you could pull the trigger. Break free penetrated five of the six the rounds in my webley .38 and the powder wouldn't ignite. The primer popped them out the barrel. This gun had been loaded under a counter for four months, new rem hp 38sw ammo. Don't wipe your bullets with break free. What's wrong with that Luger?

Roadkill

Hugh · 04-14-2002, 04:58 PM

Grady,

To help with your feeding problem, we a detailed description of how the action is jamming.

As an aside; some Lugers are very prone to malfunctioning when fired with a "limp wrist". Are you keeping your arm stiff when shooting it?

Roadkill · 04-14-2002, 06:41 PM

Duh, That makes sense. The rounds come up at an angle that causes the bolt face to hit the cartridge about 1/3 up from the bottom of the cartridge, causing the bullet to jam into the top of the chamber. The rounds look like they are at about a 45' angle and jammed up tight. The action is smooth as glass, I've cut two loops off the mainspring, three rounds fire perfectly in the 3K mag, none feed with the mec-gar.

Roadkill

Thor · 04-14-2002, 07:00 PM

Typically I believe a WEAK main spring can cause this problem or a weak load! Thor

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Thor · 04-14-2002, 07:01 PM

MEANT to say WEAK MAGAZINE SPRING, sorry! The main spring loop cut might help. Thor

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Roadkill · 04-14-2002, 07:37 PM

But I'm using two brand new magazines! And last week it fired five like a sewing machine humming along. Its aggravating but I've dealt with worse things.Its the most accurate one I've got. How do you get the selector out? It kicks back halfway to safe when it fires. Could that have something to do with it?

Hugh · 04-15-2002, 12:42 AM

Are we talking full auto pistol here?

To remove the safety lever, first remove the reciever (unloaded of course). Remove the left grip, there is a small pin holding the safety lever in that can be pushed out from inside the frame. Then the lever can be lifted out. Bend the thumbpiece in slightly to put more friction against the frame when the safety lever is moved.

If this doesn't solve the problem, I recommend getting a Luger spring pak from Wolff. It will contain three strengths of mainsprings, a standard, a lighter than standard, and a heavier than standard. With some experimenting, you should be able to find the right combination for your gun.

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 04-15-2002, 12:46 AM

Hi

If you remove the gripplates you will se a small hole where the pin that holds the safetylever is.

take that pin out and you will get out the safetylever.

Its fairly easy to bend and adjusting the safetylever so it no longer will jump back.

I belive all your problems comes from a overly stiff recoilspring, and you can start with installing the weakest of the wolf springs (36 lbs), if that doesnt helt cut a little bit of.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

http://www,vapensmedjan.com

Thor · 04-15-2002, 12:55 AM

I think he was talking about the safety lever too. Sometimes when you put that retainer pin back in and turn it a mite, it will snug up some too! Every little bit helps. Thor

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Orv Reichert · 04-15-2002, 01:18 AM

It realy does not make sense to me that lubricating a bullet would make your powder fail to ignite?

Breakfree and WD40 usually makes the primers inert. Are you sure you had powder in the cases?

I have had to fix a bunch of guns that had the primers [only] put the bullet into the barrel and then they fired a hot one....bulgitus takes place at once! UGLY!

Orv Reichert

Roadkill · 04-15-2002, 08:37 AM

Absolutely sure. The breakfree got on the cartridges through the cylinder. These were new cartridges four months in the gun.The propellant did not ignite but in one out of six.

Roadkill

Thor · 04-15-2002, 09:24 AM

WD 40 will do the same thing

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AGE · 04-16-2002, 10:58 AM

Any gun oil will eventually do the same thing. My mother's 38 special was heavily oiled (kept in FL) while loaded for a number of years. When fired, the loaded rounds were squib loads, the bullets hit a target 2 feet low. All rounds did fire.

AGE

04-14-2002, 04:18 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	need more help My Police 1918 erfurt is acting up again. The new KKK mag using 62 Finnish ammo last week was very smooth, today would jam if over 3 rds were in mag. Would not feed Wolf at all, (no surprise), would feed only 3 rds of speer 115g fmj,the new mec-gar mag would not feed at all. My AC 44 p38 shot everything fast as you could pull the trigger. Break free penetrated five of the six the rounds in my webley .38 and the powder wouldn't ignite. The primer popped them out the barrel. This gun had been loaded under a counter for four months, new rem hp 38sw ammo. Don't wipe your bullets with break free. What's wrong with that Luger? Roadkill

04-14-2002, 04:58 PM	#2
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Re: need more help Grady, To help with your feeding problem, we a detailed description of how the action is jamming. As an aside; some Lugers are very prone to malfunctioning when fired with a "limp wrist". Are you keeping your arm stiff when shooting it?

04-14-2002, 06:41 PM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Re: need more help Duh, That makes sense. The rounds come up at an angle that causes the bolt face to hit the cartridge about 1/3 up from the bottom of the cartridge, causing the bullet to jam into the top of the chamber. The rounds look like they are at about a 45' angle and jammed up tight. The action is smooth as glass, I've cut two loops off the mainspring, three rounds fire perfectly in the 3K mag, none feed with the mec-gar. Roadkill

04-14-2002, 07:00 PM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: need more help Typically I believe a WEAK main spring can cause this problem or a weak load! Thor Ted's Luger Strawing Service

04-14-2002, 07:01 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: need more help MEANT to say WEAK MAGAZINE SPRING, sorry! The main spring loop cut might help. Thor Ted's Luger Strawing Service

04-14-2002, 07:37 PM	#6
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Re: need more help But I'm using two brand new magazines! And last week it fired five like a sewing machine humming along. Its aggravating but I've dealt with worse things.Its the most accurate one I've got. How do you get the selector out? It kicks back halfway to safe when it fires. Could that have something to do with it?

04-15-2002, 12:42 AM	#7
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Re: selector? Are we talking full auto pistol here? To remove the safety lever, first remove the reciever (unloaded of course). Remove the left grip, there is a small pin holding the safety lever in that can be pushed out from inside the frame. Then the lever can be lifted out. Bend the thumbpiece in slightly to put more friction against the frame when the safety lever is moved. If this doesn't solve the problem, I recommend getting a Luger spring pak from Wolff. It will contain three strengths of mainsprings, a standard, a lighter than standard, and a heavier than standard. With some experimenting, you should be able to find the right combination for your gun.

04-15-2002, 12:46 AM	#8
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: need more help Hi If you remove the gripplates you will se a small hole where the pin that holds the safetylever is. take that pin out and you will get out the safetylever. Its fairly easy to bend and adjusting the safetylever so it no longer will jump back. I belive all your problems comes from a overly stiff recoilspring, and you can start with installing the weakest of the wolf springs (36 lbs), if that doesnt helt cut a little bit of. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan http://www,vapensmedjan.com

04-15-2002, 12:55 AM	#9
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: selector? I think he was talking about the safety lever too. Sometimes when you put that retainer pin back in and turn it a mite, it will snug up some too! Every little bit helps. Thor Ted's Luger Strawing Service http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/DSCN0605.JPG

04-15-2002, 01:18 AM	#10
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	breakfree? It realy does not make sense to me that lubricating a bullet would make your powder fail to ignite? Breakfree and WD40 usually makes the primers inert. Are you sure you had powder in the cases? I have had to fix a bunch of guns that had the primers [only] put the bullet into the barrel and then they fired a hot one....bulgitus takes place at once! UGLY! Orv Reichert

04-15-2002, 08:37 AM	#11
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Re: breakfree? Absolutely sure. The breakfree got on the cartridges through the cylinder. These were new cartridges four months in the gun.The propellant did not ignite but in one out of six. Roadkill

04-15-2002, 09:24 AM	#12
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: breakfree? WD 40 will do the same thing Ted's Luger Strawing Service

04-16-2002, 10:58 AM	#13
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: breakfree? Any gun oil will eventually do the same thing. My mother's 38 special was heavily oiled (kept in FL) while loaded for a number of years. When fired, the loaded rounds were squib loads, the bullets hit a target 2 feet low. All rounds did fire. AGE