Carbine by Lugerman

[cirelaw]

'Res Ipsa Loquitor' and 'Caveat Emptor' and 'The facts will speak for themselves' and 'Buyer Beware' First year law school! Esq.

[cirelaw]

I have a serious question~~ How does he come up with a legal serial number? I'm sure there has to be some rule of law governing this situation. Must it be registered with State and or Fed agencies? Eric

[sheepherder]

Aren't Luger carbines exempt from the ATF regulations about SBR's and detachable buttstocks???

Does anyone have the letter or the reg reference???

[berkmberk1]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Aren't Luger carbines exempt from the ATF regulations about SBR's and detachable buttstocks???

Does anyone have the letter or the reg reference???

From the ATF site -

OPEN LETTER ON THE
REDESIGN
OF STABILIZING BRACES”
The Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD), Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received
inquiries from the public concerning the proper use of devices
recently marketed as stabilizing braces.” These devices are
described as “a shooter’s aid that is designed to improve the single
-handed shooting performance of buffer tube equipped
pistols.” The device claims to enhance a ccuracy and reduce felt recoil
when using an AR -style pistol. These items are intended to improve accuracy by using the operator’s forearm to provide stable support for
the AR - type pistol

. ATF has previously determined that attaching the brace to a
firearm does not alter the classification of the firearm or subject the firearm to National Firearms Act (NFA) control.
However, this classification is based upon the use of the device as designed. When the device is redesigned for use as a shoulder stock on a handgun with a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length, the firearm
is properly classified as a firearm under the NFA.

By this it seems if it was ever originally made this way, its fine. If not i.e fitting a stock to a 1911, it would be "modified" and illegal without ATF approval.

[sheepherder]

Section III pg 36 of the attached BATFE document specifically exempts Luger carbines from NFA status -

[DTR04]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Section III pg 36 of the attached BATFE document specifically exempts Luger carbines from NFA status -

I believe only original carbines are exempt. Recreations are not. This one is not even built on an original carbine frame. IMHO

[CAP Black]

As to serial number, mine was a makeover of a luger; so it has the original number. No creation of a number.
Since Ed has a time for pickup, it appears to be a sure thing on delivery.
If never to be shot, fine but you must still check it over thoroughly. for interior parts, fit and finish, etc.
On mine, after 8 shots the shoulder stock developed a small crack; which took several months to get resolved and then I finished up the last 15 percent or so; after I finally got it back.
If you shoot it, I wouldn't use the more powerful ammo suggested. I use the Winchester white box. Also make sure to hold securely to shoulder as the entire weapon absorbs the energy.
I fired mine only to verify that it would fire without fail.
Thanks
Jack

[Edward Tinker]

Jack, at first I felt that I'd like him to send it, but if Eugene made the date and time for me to come by, that would be good.

Its built on a G date, so its serial number will be built off of that...

BTW, the barrel is 16 inches, so its exempt that way... A carbine would be 12.5 inches if memory serves me right.

[lugerholsterrepair]

but if Eugene made the date and time for me to come by, that would be good. UHHHH OK. Did Eugene do that?

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

but if Eugene made the date and time for me to come by, that would be good. UHHHH OK. Did Eugene do that?

yes
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and its a sixteen inch barrel - Eugene makes them with 16 inch barrels - there is no exemption status if 16 inches

[cirelaw]

I would put my money on a lottery ticket instead!!

[lugerholsterrepair]

Who says if they are or aren't 'original'?? Only the "Shadow" knows.

[Dick Herman]

"Who says if they are or aren't 'original'?? Only the "Shadow" knows."

It could also be the little guy in the ATF hidden office that only comes out to see his shadow.

Ed, enjoy the moment.

[ithacaartist]

Ed, we've all been rootin' for ya, and this is the post we've been waiting for. That is all I will say until Saturday evening when we hear from you again!

p.s. Better brush up on trigger finger etiquette and muzzle control (in the pic). May I have one of those cinnamon buns?

[Norme]

Hi Ed, I hope it's going to come in a fitted case with all the accessories. Eugene can hardly expect you to take it home in a paper bag.
Best regards, Norm

[rhuff]

Good luck Ed. I hope that it is 100% to your desires. You have been most fair to Eugene, and hopefully he realizes it. A bad result/product would be the kiss of death for him on this forum. I choose to think positive for you.

[lugerholsterrepair]

A bad result/product would be the kiss of death for him on this forum. That ship has sailed down the river styx IMO!

[cirelaw]

Jerry, I agree but hold for the result. Eds' venture evidenced a tolerant friend who wanted a custom carbine built by one of the then believed one of the finest!. I have gained so much more respect through this last year in his patience and reserve. He chose to share it with us regardless of the delay or comments! Yes soon he will hold the baby in his arms. You have a group of believers and supporters at your back!!

[CAP Black]

Norme:

Don't hold your breath on the paper bag. I traveled 300+ miles to get delivery on my item from the same man and all of it was loose: pistol, stock, extra mag and a box of shells. No container at all. I had expected it would be packed in a box.
Jack
I suggest taking a gun case.

[cirelaw]

How was the gun? Eric