MAC-11 subcompact machine pistol found at JFK airport

John Sabato · 09-27-2013, 08:04 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/27...cmp=latestnews

Sure wish I had "found it"

Of course I would have to turn it in to BATFE...

As nice as it would be to actually own one, it wouldn't be worth my freedom...

I hope it is "legal" and on the NFA registry and has been reported stolen... so maybe the rightful owner would get it back.

...But somehow I have a feeling that isn't the situation here.--

This is probably an "incident" that was prevented from happening by this discovery...

DavidJayUden · 09-27-2013, 08:26 AM

It would be interesting to see the gun. SWD did make a true pistol, no folding stock and of course semi only. And given the propensity of today's "news" men and women to inflate a story just a tad, I'm wondering...
All stories are more intersting if they involve a deadly Assault Rifle rather than a hunting rifle.
dju

John Sabato · 09-27-2013, 08:50 AM

I suppose it COULD also be one of these:

http://www.ima-usa.com/u-s-ingram-ma...struction.html

U.S. Ingram MAC-11 New Made Display Gun: Metal Construction
Item: AMG1088
Availability: In stock
Perfect for re-enactment or display! $184.95

Description: New Made Item: Simply put, this is the very best full size, full weight replica “non-gun” MAC-11 available anywhere. It doesn't shoot but it works! This is a very impressive reproduction of the The Ingram MAC-11 (Military Armament Corporation Model 11) is a machine pistol developed by American gun designer Gordon Ingram at the Military Armament Corporation (MAC) during the 1970s. The weapon is a sub-compact version of the Model 10 (MAC-10), and is chambered to fire the smaller .380 ACP round. Our non-firing fully legal replica is just about indistinguishable from the real thing.

Edward Tinker · 09-27-2013, 08:52 AM

its probably not even a Mac

Or it was a grandfather on their way to visit their grandchildren and forgot it was in their bag, so they left it behind

Note - 'even operable' Its probably a training gun for their guards during practice runs.

Ed

hansfischer007 · 09-27-2013, 09:00 AM

Has anyone ever seen a Replica....or even a demilled version of the French Foreign Legion Sub Machine Gun....the MAT-49.....I saw one for sale last year on a site for over...$25,000......would love to just have a Replica........even a Resin Model...........just wondered if anyone has ever run across one...........Danke......Hans Fischer

Green57 · 10-29-2013, 08:34 AM

Hans,

Look here http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/6...on=ViewProduct.

Whats nice about these is the receiver is left intact and the barrel and bolt are altered so it cant not be fired; alas, you can't get it state side due to BATFE restrictions.

Just thought I'd post it to let you know they are out there. If that other MAT was 25 grand it must have been transferable operational gun and not demilled.

G57

alanint · 10-29-2013, 10:48 AM

Judging from where it was found, it is probably a mob "Hit" weapon from the 1970s. No Airport Security office would be storing an issue weapon up in the rafters. It would be in a locked storage area. It could also be something an airport worker stole and hid until he could figure out how to get it home.
Back in that pre 9/11 era all those areas were easily accessible, (especially with a little "grease money" and in NYC!). Perhaps this weapon was "staged" for a hit on someone flying in. The hit never took place and it was forgotten up there.
As others have said, a photo would go a long way to identifying what it is. Is there a suppressor with it?, (usually the case). Is it serial numbered? Blank flats were easely accessible from the beginning of the gun's design and so were parts kits. Any underworld armorer could build a full auto gun and suppressor for the mob they belonged to. Hits in the 80s here in Miami involved hitting your guy, placing the gun on the body and walking away. No evidence to tie you to the hit, once you got away clean. They could be bought outright for under $200.

I own both an original Gordon Ingram MAC 10, with Mitch Wherbel can and two consecutively numbered Sarah and Wayne Daniels M11/9s, I got at the divorce auction. They had them there on pallets for lower than $50 apiece, depending on how many you bought. Needless to say, we all kick ourselves today for not buying more of them.
I don't shoot them much anymore due to the price of ammo, but also, as a lefty, it is unpleasant due to backblast out the ejection port when using the can and also having hot brass flying right by your right eyebrow and occasioanlly connecting.

09-27-2013, 08:04 AM	#1
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	MAC-11 subcompact machine pistol found at JFK airport http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/27...cmp=latestnews Sure wish I had "found it" Of course I would have to turn it in to BATFE... As nice as it would be to actually own one, it wouldn't be worth my freedom... I hope it is "legal" and on the NFA registry and has been reported stolen... so maybe the rightful owner would get it back. ...But somehow I have a feeling that isn't the situation here.-- This is probably an "incident" that was prevented from happening by this discovery... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-27-2013, 08:50 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I suppose it COULD also be one of these: http://www.ima-usa.com/u-s-ingram-ma...struction.html U.S. Ingram MAC-11 New Made Display Gun: Metal Construction Item: AMG1088 Availability: In stock Perfect for re-enactment or display! $184.95 Description: New Made Item: Simply put, this is the very best full size, full weight replica “non-gun” MAC-11 available anywhere. It doesn't shoot but it works! This is a very impressive reproduction of the The Ingram MAC-11 (Military Armament Corporation Model 11) is a machine pistol developed by American gun designer Gordon Ingram at the Military Armament Corporation (MAC) during the 1970s. The weapon is a sub-compact version of the Model 10 (MAC-10), and is chambered to fire the smaller .380 ACP round. Our non-firing fully legal replica is just about indistinguishable from the real thing. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-27-2013, 08:52 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	its probably not even a Mac Or it was a grandfather on their way to visit their grandchildren and forgot it was in their bag, so they left it behind Note - 'even operable' Its probably a training gun for their guards during practice runs. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-27-2013, 09:00 AM	#5
hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	Mat 49..??? Has anyone ever seen a Replica....or even a demilled version of the French Foreign Legion Sub Machine Gun....the MAT-49.....I saw one for sale last year on a site for over...$25,000......would love to just have a Replica........even a Resin Model...........just wondered if anyone has ever run across one...........Danke......Hans Fischer

10-29-2013, 08:34 AM	#6
Green57 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	mat 49 Hans, Look here http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/6...on=ViewProduct. Whats nice about these is the receiver is left intact and the barrel and bolt are altered so it cant not be fired; alas, you can't get it state side due to BATFE restrictions. Just thought I'd post it to let you know they are out there. If that other MAT was 25 grand it must have been transferable operational gun and not demilled. G57

09-27-2013, 08:26 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It would be interesting to see the gun. SWD did make a true pistol, no folding stock and of course semi only. And given the propensity of today's "news" men and women to inflate a story just a tad, I'm wondering... All stories are more intersting if they involve a deadly Assault Rifle rather than a hunting rifle. dju

10-29-2013, 10:48 AM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Judging from where it was found, it is probably a mob "Hit" weapon from the 1970s. No Airport Security office would be storing an issue weapon up in the rafters. It would be in a locked storage area. It could also be something an airport worker stole and hid until he could figure out how to get it home. Back in that pre 9/11 era all those areas were easily accessible, (especially with a little "grease money" and in NYC!). Perhaps this weapon was "staged" for a hit on someone flying in. The hit never took place and it was forgotten up there. As others have said, a photo would go a long way to identifying what it is. Is there a suppressor with it?, (usually the case). Is it serial numbered? Blank flats were easely accessible from the beginning of the gun's design and so were parts kits. Any underworld armorer could build a full auto gun and suppressor for the mob they belonged to. Hits in the 80s here in Miami involved hitting your guy, placing the gun on the body and walking away. No evidence to tie you to the hit, once you got away clean. They could be bought outright for under $200. I own both an original Gordon Ingram MAC 10, with Mitch Wherbel can and two consecutively numbered Sarah and Wayne Daniels M11/9s, I got at the divorce auction. They had them there on pallets for lower than $50 apiece, depending on how many you bought. Needless to say, we all kick ourselves today for not buying more of them. I don't shoot them much anymore due to the price of ammo, but also, as a lefty, it is unpleasant due to backblast out the ejection port when using the can and also having hot brass flying right by your right eyebrow and occasioanlly connecting.