I Give Up on the P08

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I went thru a lot with 4" 9mm guns as we were trying to find a good cast bullet load. Seemed like no 4" gun liked them, however the Artillery and Navy models would shoot them. Send one gun to Lugerdoc, who shot it (with factory ammo I'm sure) and he sent it back as good to go. Still wouldn't shoot the cast bullet loads but would run with S&B 115 fmj.
Then I switched all my loads to 115 FMJ (back when you could still find them...) and all has been well since.
It seems to have been an issue of pressure and sufficient recoil that made the difference, however the same load/powder was used in both instances.
So to make a long story shorter, it was the ammo for me that made the difference. The right ammo and even my 4" Lugers have become quite reliable.
And I am now forced to go back to cast bullets, so the circle of frustration begins once again.
dju

Dave:

You should try some lead cast bullets, out of the RCBS 121 grain Truncated Cone mold, with an O.A.L. of 1.142 inches (29 mms) and sized to .356 inches. For me, the best powder to date has been Accurate #5 (very accurate).

Lugers are "timed" for bullets between 115 grains and 130 grains. Other weights may or may not function trustworthly.

Sieger

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Sieger

You should try the RCBS 121 gr Truncated Cone...

...???...What are you referring to here???

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by postino

...???...What are you referring to here???

Hi:

Please reread my modified posting above.

Thanks!


Sieger

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Dave:

You should try some lead cast bullets, out of the RCBS 121 grain Truncated Cone mold...

Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi:
Please reread my modified posting above.
Thanks!

Sieger

Yes, that does make a bit more sense...

Have you tried the 124gr FMJ truncated cone Hornady bullets??? I used them in my 357 AMP and 38/45 Clerke cartridges...

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by postino

Yes, that does make a bit more sense...

Have you tried the 124gr FMJ truncated cone Hornady bullets??? I used them in my 357 AMP and 38/45 Clerke cartridges...

Postino:

Yes, the Hornady 124 grain FMJFP bullet is one of my favorites for the 9mm Luger pistol!!!

This particular bullet ("called the Air Force Bullet") was developed for our military, some 30 years or so ago, back when they were considering the adoption of a 9 mm pistol.

In a Luger, if loaded to 28.7 mm of O.A.L., this one functions the action perfectly, and is highly accurate!

By the way, I've seen data for the RCBS Lead 121 TC bullet, for the .38 Super, well into the 1,200 fps range, so it might be interesting for you to try them with the two fine cartridges you have mentioned above.


Sieger

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Postino:

Yes, the Hornady 124 grain FMJFP bullet is one of my favorites for the 9mm Luger pistol!!!

This particular bullet ("called the Air Force Bullet") was developed for our military, some 30 years or so ago, back when they were considering the adoption of a 9 mm pistol.

In a Luger, if loaded to 28.7 mm of O.A.L., this one functions the action perfectly, and is highly accurate!

I am informed by the Sales Dept at Hornady that the 3556 FMJ-FP bullet in 100 count boxes has been discontinued -

Thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately our SKU#3556 9mm 124gr FMJ-FP Bullet in the 100 count box has been discontinued. We suggest that you might look for SKU#35567B 9mm 124gr FMJ-FP Bullet in the 2900 count box.

Thank you again.

Hornady Sales Team

Phone 1-800-338-3220

I am wondering if there is enough interest in a 'group buy' for the 2900 count box...

Item Number 35567B
Ballistic Coefficient (G1) .160
Sectional Density .141
Quantity 2,900/Case
Price: $360.33

That works out to roughly $12.50 for 100 bullets...

You can still find odd lots of the 3556 bullets on GB, but not with any regularity...And the big dealers show the 2900 box as Out Of Stock...

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by postino

I am informed by the Sales Dept at Hornady that the 3556 FMJ-FP bullet in 100 count boxes has been discontinued -

Thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately our SKU#3556 9mm 124gr FMJ-FP Bullet in the 100 count box has been discontinued. We suggest that you might look for SKU#35567B 9mm 124gr FMJ-FP Bullet in the 2900 count box.

Thank you again.

Hornady Sales Team

Phone 1-800-338-3220

I am wondering if there is enough interest in a 'group buy' for the 2900 count box...

Item Number 35567B
Ballistic Coefficient (G1) .160
Sectional Density .141
Quantity 2,900/Case
Price: $360.33

That works out to roughly $12.50 for 100 bullets...

You can still find odd lots of the 3556 bullets on GB, but not with any regularity...And the big dealers show the 2900 box as Out Of Stock...

Postino:

Well, at least they didn't quit making them altogether, as this must be one of their all time best sellers, but the MBAs, you know, they know better, ha!!

I already have several thousand of these, as I would, typically, order by the 500 quantity box.

I don't know how much or how often you shoot, but I'd surely get them while you can, and in large quantities!!!

Here is a really great alternative for you. It's made by ZERO Bullets (a much smaller company):

ZERO 9 mm 125 grain Jacketed Hollow Point-Conical, #136

This bullet has a full one calliber bearing surface, and when loaded to a 28.8 mm O.A.L., in the 9mm Luger Pistol, fuctions perfectly!! This bullet also looks quite a bit like the original DWM TC bullet, nice.

They are not cheap, but they are less expensive than the Hornady line.

Try some, as they are also highly accurate and are still available in "normal" quantities.


Sieger

PS:

Here is a one holer load with the aforementioned bullet:

WW Commercial Brass
Remington 1 1/2 Primers
O.A.L. 28.8mm
Powder Charge 5.1 grains of Power Pistol

With this load, my byf 41 will shoot three shot groups, all to one hole, to point of aim at 25 yards, all day long (once 9 targets in a row). Enjoy!!