1936 reblued

WCW · 04-02-2013, 04:14 AM

Hello, I am new to the forum and the reason I joined is too get your opinions on a "1936" Krieghoff Luger I recently inherited from my Uncle. I have been researching it for a couple of weeks and have been told this is the place to come. It is in good condition, has the full 1936 chamber date and the H&K sword/anchor logo on the toggle. It has serial# 53** on left side and 2 Eagle-2 proofs on the right side. They are a bit faint, but are there. Grips are in very good condition. I have 2 magazines, but they are not matching. Also have a 1936 Ryffel & Borns Hannover holster that is in very good condition w/eagle proofed take down tool. Wondering what you might think entire rig is worth. Thanks

alanint · 04-02-2013, 04:28 AM

Better photos are really necesary. At first blush, your pistol appears to have been buffed and reblued. It is also missing the front sight.

Both these issues affect the value significantly.

Ben M. · 04-02-2013, 04:42 PM

keep an eye on dealer sites as these hk lugers come up for sale.

here is one outfit.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...b66c9da62b79fe

WCW · 04-03-2013, 02:46 AM

Yes, unfortunately I have looked high and low for the front site. I do believe it was on the Luger when I first handled it a few years ago when my Uncle was still alive. It has been in my Uncles posession for over 40 years and I am 99% sure he never had it re-blued. So I do not know when or if that was done.

alanint · 04-03-2013, 04:53 AM

Tom Heller, (Luger Doc), here on the site can supply you with a replacement

Edward Tinker · 04-03-2013, 03:30 PM

I moved this from the previous thread, good to have its own thread....

WCW · 04-03-2013, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

Tom Heller, (Luger Doc), here on the site can supply you with a replacement

I have emailed around about a replacement. Do you think it is a good idea to get a replacement front sight for the Luger?

WCW · 04-03-2013, 04:05 PM

I have read some tips on how to get some better quality pics and am working on posting them up asap. I would like some more opinions on condition of Luger and value of pistol and the other accessories. Also, opinions on replacing the front sight. Thanks

Norme · 04-03-2013, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WCW

I have emailed around about a replacement. Do you think it is a good idea to get a replacement front sight for the Luger?

Why wouldn't you? I don't mean to be blunt, but this gun lost it's virginity a long time ago.
Regards, Norm

WCW · 04-03-2013, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Why wouldn't you? I don't mean to be blunt, but this gun lost it's virginity a long time ago.
Regards, Norm

I agree, I was just wondering if putting a replacement sight or any replacement part on a Krieghoff would do more harm to it's value than just leaving it as is???

alanint · 04-03-2013, 04:48 PM

A replacement sight can only help the sellability and actual use of the pistol.

John D. · 04-03-2013, 06:14 PM

If it were my HK - I'd install a new front sight and not look back.. I think it would appreciate being returned to somewhat of its former glory - at least in part...

And oh? I've been known to have one (or two, or

) more HKs.. Ask Ed - he's actually shot a few...

John

lugerholsterrepair · 04-03-2013, 07:45 PM

'd install a new front sight and not look back..Yup..Needs a sight!

WCW · 04-04-2013, 09:44 AM

I have Pm'ed and e-mailed Tom(Luger Doc) about a front sight, but have not gotten a reply. Any ideas?

alanint · 04-04-2013, 10:00 AM

Patience,

Tom will respond.

DavidJayUden · 04-04-2013, 10:19 AM

Tom seems to catch up on correspondance about once a week.
dju

WCW · 04-05-2013, 11:36 PM

Took some new pics. Not sure these are much better, but might be best I can do with my camera. I understand why some opinions are that the gun may have been buffed/re-blued by the appearance of some areas of the gun, but other areas look just as sharp as when original to me. Is it possible holster wear?

I am planning to replace front sight as soon as I can get one.

WCW · 04-06-2013, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M.

keep an eye on dealer sites as these hk lugers come up for sale.

here is one outfit.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...b66c9da62b79fe

I have actually looked at 2 "1936" Krieghoffs on the Simpson LTD. site that are listed for $7995 and $13,995. I realize that my knowledge of Lugers isn't comparable to many of the members here, but IMO my Krieghoff looks to be very similar in condition as the one listed for $7995. It has many of the same wear markings that Simpson describes as "holster wear in the expected areas" right down to the almost identical scratch over the last 2 digits of the serial# on the side of the chamber. Also the wear on the frame just under the proofs on the right side of the pistol. The date stamp and the H&K logo on the toggle, I would say are almost identical to mine. The Simpson pistol also only has 1 magazine that does not match. I have 2 none matching mags to offer with my Luger. IMO,if the Simpson Luger is worth $7995, then mine should be very close to that price. This is link to the Krieghoff on Simpson LTD: http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...b66c9da62b79fe

lugersrkewl · 04-06-2013, 04:11 AM

I think the difference is yours has been at least been cold blue touched up and if its not a commercial model buffed and polished. Being reblued alone cuts collector value immensely. I feel your pain.

alanint · 04-06-2013, 07:51 AM

Unfortunately, William, to experienced eyes your pistol immediately stands out as a reblue.

The fact that it was done long ago and has started to wear does not change that. It is not just the lack of sharpness in the markings. The entire pistol shows a lack of sharpness in the edges, contours, etc.

If this were a custom carry pistol, the sales brochure would say that it has "carry contours". A melding and deburring of all edges to avoid snags on drawing.

04-02-2013, 04:14 AM	#1
WCW User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 24 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1936 reblued Hello, I am new to the forum and the reason I joined is too get your opinions on a "1936" Krieghoff Luger I recently inherited from my Uncle. I have been researching it for a couple of weeks and have been told this is the place to come. It is in good condition, has the full 1936 chamber date and the H&K sword/anchor logo on the toggle. It has serial# 53** on left side and 2 Eagle-2 proofs on the right side. They are a bit faint, but are there. Grips are in very good condition. I have 2 magazines, but they are not matching. Also have a 1936 Ryffel & Borns Hannover holster that is in very good condition w/eagle proofed take down tool. Wondering what you might think entire rig is worth. Thanks Attached Thumbnails Last edited by WCW; 04-04-2013 at 09:39 AM.

04-03-2013, 03:30 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,965 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,594 Times in 2,116 Posts	I moved this from the previous thread, good to have its own thread.... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-03-2013, 07:45 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	'd install a new front sight and not look back..Yup..Needs a sight! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-05-2013, 11:36 PM	#17
WCW User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 24 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Took some new pics. Not sure these are much better, but might be best I can do with my camera. I understand why some opinions are that the gun may have been buffed/re-blued by the appearance of some areas of the gun, but other areas look just as sharp as when original to me. Is it possible holster wear? I am planning to replace front sight as soon as I can get one. Attached Thumbnails

04-02-2013, 04:28 AM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Better photos are really necesary. At first blush, your pistol appears to have been buffed and reblued. It is also missing the front sight. Both these issues affect the value significantly.

04-02-2013, 04:42 PM	#3
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 498 Thanks: 96 Thanked 145 Times in 90 Posts	keep an eye on dealer sites as these hk lugers come up for sale. here is one outfit. http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...b66c9da62b79fe

04-03-2013, 02:46 AM	#4
WCW User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 24 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yes, unfortunately I have looked high and low for the front site. I do believe it was on the Luger when I first handled it a few years ago when my Uncle was still alive. It has been in my Uncles posession for over 40 years and I am 99% sure he never had it re-blued. So I do not know when or if that was done.

04-03-2013, 04:53 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Tom Heller, (Luger Doc), here on the site can supply you with a replacement

04-03-2013, 04:05 PM	#8
WCW User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 24 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I have read some tips on how to get some better quality pics and am working on posting them up asap. I would like some more opinions on condition of Luger and value of pistol and the other accessories. Also, opinions on replacing the front sight. Thanks

04-03-2013, 04:48 PM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	A replacement sight can only help the sellability and actual use of the pistol.

04-03-2013, 06:14 PM	#12
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	If it were my HK - I'd install a new front sight and not look back.. I think it would appreciate being returned to somewhat of its former glory - at least in part... And oh? I've been known to have one (or two, or ) more HKs.. Ask Ed - he's actually shot a few... John

04-04-2013, 09:44 AM	#14
WCW User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 24 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I have Pm'ed and e-mailed Tom(Luger Doc) about a front sight, but have not gotten a reply. Any ideas?

04-04-2013, 10:00 AM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Patience, Tom will respond.

04-04-2013, 10:19 AM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Tom seems to catch up on correspondance about once a week. dju

04-06-2013, 04:11 AM	#19
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	I think the difference is yours has been at least been cold blue touched up and if its not a commercial model buffed and polished. Being reblued alone cuts collector value immensely. I feel your pain.

04-06-2013, 07:51 AM	#20
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Unfortunately, William, to experienced eyes your pistol immediately stands out as a reblue. The fact that it was done long ago and has started to wear does not change that. It is not just the lack of sharpness in the markings. The entire pistol shows a lack of sharpness in the edges, contours, etc. If this were a custom carry pistol, the sales brochure would say that it has "carry contours". A melding and deburring of all edges to avoid snags on drawing.