Pepper Spray for teachers???

[cdmech]

Originally Posted by Olle

I'm sure that someone more educated than me can pick it apart, after all I'm an engineer and not a lawyer so I'm looking at it from a layman's practical view

One last thing I would like to add is that our founding documents are written in plain english so that anyone of simple mind can understand his freedoms. It takes a lawyer and the educated to confuse them.

Marc

[Olle]

Originally Posted by cdmech

One last thing I would like to add is that our founding documents are written in plain english so that anyone of simple mind can understand his freedoms. It takes a lawyer and the educated to confuse them.

Marc

That is true, the problem is that the lawyers and the (supposedly) educated are the ones who have the power to change things. The power is only indirectly with the people, once politicians are voted in they will go their own merry way regardless.

I hope you don't confuse my ideas with those of the lawmakers, what I'm saying is that there is a good chance that they, and not us will come up with new laws. I can see changes coming, and if we approach it with an open mind we can at least steer it in a better direction than assault weapons bans, gun registration and other things we absolutely don't want. If they know that you're not willing to negotiate, they won't invite you to the negotiation.

[cdmech]

Originally Posted by Olle

I hope you don't confuse my ideas with those of the lawmakers, what I'm saying is that there is a good chance that they, and not us will come up with new laws. I can see changes coming, and if we approach it with an open mind we can at least steer it in a better direction than assault weapons bans, gun registration and other things we absolutely don't want. If they know that you're not willing to negotiate, they won't invite you to the negotiation.

I hope you don't think I'm just picking apart your every post, because rereading this thread I'm afraid that's exactly what I've done.. Actually you've just forced me to refine my own thoughts.
As far as being "invited to the negotiations", therein is allot of what is wrong with the politicians. Our basic rights are not given to us by man, therefore man cannot rightly take them away. It is non-negotiable. That is why we are not subjects.

Marc

[Olle]

Originally Posted by cdmech

I hope you don't think I'm just picking apart your every post, because rereading this thread I'm afraid that's exactly what I've done.. Actually you've just forced me to refine my own thoughts.
As far as being "invited to the negotiations", therein is allot of what is wrong with the politicians. Our basic rights are not given to us by man, therefore man cannot rightly take them away. It is non-negotiable. That is why we are not subjects.

Marc

Marc,

No problem, I just wanted to be sure that you understand that I'm not an advocate for more restrictions. I fully understand and actually agree with most of your points, I'm just looking at it from a different perspective. I guess I have just resigned to the fact that attitudes, culture, politics are constantly changing. Sometimes they will evolve into something better, sometimes they won't, but you can be damn sure that they will evolve somehow. I don't always like it, but it's happening anyway and I can't do very much more than to try and turn it in a direction that's in my favor.