Need help with 2 pistols

Dave Sanders · 10-03-2012, 01:59 PM

Thanks to all. I'll post some pictures of the Webly in the cylinder area tonight and perhaps you can tell if it has been ground. It doesn't looked touched that I can see. So what era is the Webly, post WWI to? and the Swedish pistol 1942 to ?
Dave

Olle · 10-03-2012, 03:46 PM

Dave,

Don't quote me on this, but I believe the production of the M/40 pistols ceased in 1945. Supposedly, there were some pistols put together from spare parts after that, but I don't really know when or how many.

Dave Sanders · 10-04-2012, 05:37 PM

Ed, here is a shot of the Webly with a 45 cal bullet in it. It goes in deep, so I guess that means it hasn't been modified, right?
Dave

GySgt1811 · 10-04-2012, 06:03 PM

Actually the .455 Brit was a rimmed round; the cartridge headspaces on the rim like a .45 Long Colt. There is/was a rimmed .45 ACP made at one time so as to fit in an unaltered Webley chamber. I don't know if anyone still makes it. Normally, to fire a .45 ACP in a ,455 Webley a machinist will remove the cylinder from the frame and turn off an small amount from the rear face of the cylinder so as to allow for half or full moon clips to clear the recoil shield of the revolver; then, .45 ACP's can be inserted into the clips and the clips plus rounds can be inserted into the rear of the cylinder. One way to tell if the rear face of the cylinder has been machined for moon clips is to look and see if Brit proof and ID marks are still present on the rear face of the cylinder. If they are there the cylinder has not been turned and the gun must fire original .445 Webley OR the hard to find rimmed .45 ACP. As in your picture it is normal for a .45 ACP to fall into the cylinder because there is no rim on the cartridge to headspace on. The moon clips serve as a device to allow the .45 ACP to emulate a rimmed cartridge. I hope this make some sense!!!

Regards,

Gunny

PS. Even though the rear of the cylinder face in your picture is somewhat fuzzy (At least to my ancient eyes) it appears as though the Brit marks are still there and, thence, the revolver is unaltered.

Dave Sanders · 10-04-2012, 06:33 PM

Thank you for that information. It makes perfect sense. Here is a close-up picture and the marks are there. Thanks again.
Dave

10-04-2012, 06:03 PM	#4
GySgt1811 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 237 Thanks: 1,238 Thanked 126 Times in 84 Posts	Too deep Actually the .455 Brit was a rimmed round; the cartridge headspaces on the rim like a .45 Long Colt. There is/was a rimmed .45 ACP made at one time so as to fit in an unaltered Webley chamber. I don't know if anyone still makes it. Normally, to fire a .45 ACP in a ,455 Webley a machinist will remove the cylinder from the frame and turn off an small amount from the rear face of the cylinder so as to allow for half or full moon clips to clear the recoil shield of the revolver; then, .45 ACP's can be inserted into the clips and the clips plus rounds can be inserted into the rear of the cylinder. One way to tell if the rear face of the cylinder has been machined for moon clips is to look and see if Brit proof and ID marks are still present on the rear face of the cylinder. If they are there the cylinder has not been turned and the gun must fire original .445 Webley OR the hard to find rimmed .45 ACP. As in your picture it is normal for a .45 ACP to fall into the cylinder because there is no rim on the cartridge to headspace on. The moon clips serve as a device to allow the .45 ACP to emulate a rimmed cartridge. I hope this make some sense!!! Regards, Gunny PS. Even though the rear of the cylinder face in your picture is somewhat fuzzy (At least to my ancient eyes) it appears as though the Brit marks are still there and, thence, the revolver is unaltered.

10-03-2012, 01:59 PM	#1
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 295 Thanks: 28 Thanked 56 Times in 28 Posts	Thanks to all. I'll post some pictures of the Webly in the cylinder area tonight and perhaps you can tell if it has been ground. It doesn't looked touched that I can see. So what era is the Webly, post WWI to? and the Swedish pistol 1942 to ? Dave

10-03-2012, 03:46 PM	#2
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 664 Times in 318 Posts	Dave, Don't quote me on this, but I believe the production of the M/40 pistols ceased in 1945. Supposedly, there were some pistols put together from spare parts after that, but I don't really know when or how many.