What was our first 9mm luger

cirelaw · 09-21-2012, 08:52 PM

I own the 1906 French Marked Commercial, page 106 Luger At Random in 7.65mm, I have the 1908 Commercial in 9mm. Can one in between that can claim the title to be the last smaller 7.65mm?

Mike B · 09-21-2012, 09:44 PM

Eric,
I think the so called "fat barrel" was the first 9mm. It is a 9mm with a flat main spring and dished toggles.

Mike

cirelaw · 09-21-2012, 09:55 PM

tks I think your right. I wondered if any proptotypes were made!!

Ron Wood · 09-21-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

tks I think your right. I wondered if any proptotypes were made!!

Eric,
There were several, mostly with different barrel lengths. I am sure you have Charlie Kenyon's "Lugers at Random". There are a few 1902 9mm prototypes shown there to include a consecutively serial numbered pair formerly owned by an old friend and mentor, John Morgan, now deceased.

cirelaw · 09-22-2012, 09:55 AM

Thanks Ron! Luger books are necessary and also essential! Why were prototypes what purpose and made and for whom?

RichSr · 09-22-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Thanks Ron! Luger books are necessary and also essential! Why were prototypes what purpose and made and for whom?

pro·to·type (prt-tp)
n.
1. An original type, form, or instance serving as a basis or standard for later stages.
2. An original, full-scale, and usually working model of a new product or new version of an existing product.
3. An early, typical example

Books do not impart information through osmosis, you must read them! Answers gained in that manner will be retained longer than those given you for the asking.

Neil Young · 09-22-2012, 01:56 PM

My Rich, you are full of awe inspiring information today. Did you get it through osmosis, or did you read it?

Neil

lugersrkewl · 09-22-2012, 02:00 PM

I think Eric needs to show us pics of his 1 of 2 .45 luger prototypes

RichSr · 09-22-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Young

My Rich, you are full of awe inspiring information today. Did you get it through osmosis, or did you read it?

Neil

Ahh Neil! Would be a sweet thing indeed if knowlege could be accessed in such an easy manner but alas, it must be attained the old fashioned way. I realize that my posting would be obvious to most but perhaps not all.

Neil Young · 09-22-2012, 03:22 PM

I guess some of us are just not enlightened.

Neil

lugersrkewl · 09-22-2012, 04:23 PM

technically he does have to read the answers

RichSr · 09-22-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Young

I guess some of us are just not enlightened.

Neil

It's not about enlightenment, it's about using your own resources first before relying on others to expand your knowledge. "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"

Neil Young · 09-22-2012, 06:06 PM

Thanks for that Rich.

Neil

Lugerdoc · 09-23-2012, 07:37 AM

There are know 9mm prototypes in the 10xxxB suffix range, shown in several luger books. TH

cirelaw · 09-23-2012, 08:57 AM

When I was a law student at Villanova Law School our library had over 2000 law books. I didnt have to read them all to find an answer. I was taught instead what questions to ask? Thats 90% of learning. Its called the socratic method! IE 'Who is sueing who for what? It worked well until my stroke. Short term memory suggs my long term best! I can view it as a 'Stroke Of Luck!! I fear the alternative! Thanks to my supportative forum friends!!

09-21-2012, 08:52 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	What was our first 9mm luger I own the 1906 French Marked Commercial, page 106 Luger At Random in 7.65mm, I have the 1908 Commercial in 9mm. Can one in between that can claim the title to be the last smaller 7.65mm?

09-22-2012, 01:56 PM	#7
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	My Rich, you are full of awe inspiring information today. Did you get it through osmosis, or did you read it? Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

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Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	I guess some of us are just not enlightened. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

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Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	Thanks for that Rich. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	There are know 9mm prototypes in the 10xxxB suffix range, shown in several luger books. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-21-2012, 09:44 PM	#2
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Eric, I think the so called "fat barrel" was the first 9mm. It is a 9mm with a flat main spring and dished toggles. Mike

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	tks I think your right. I wondered if any proptotypes were made!!

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thanks Ron! Luger books are necessary and also essential! Why were prototypes what purpose and made and for whom?

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lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	I think Eric needs to show us pics of his 1 of 2 .45 luger prototypes

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lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	technically he does have to read the answers

09-23-2012, 08:57 AM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	When I was a law student at Villanova Law School our library had over 2000 law books. I didnt have to read them all to find an answer. I was taught instead what questions to ask? Thats 90% of learning. Its called the socratic method! IE 'Who is sueing who for what? It worked well until my stroke. Short term memory suggs my long term best! I can view it as a 'Stroke Of Luck!! I fear the alternative! Thanks to my supportative forum friends!!