Death Head Luger Question

03-17-2002, 10:04 PM

Hello, Yes I am a newbee. But I have done alot of reading on this message board, and I like it. I have come across a Death Head Luger (1916 DWM) on a Mauser lower frame (toggle pin retaining buldge). How do I know that the, atleat the upper part is real or fake? Is there any way to tell by the Death Head stamping? I really feel that it is not authentic. But you never know. I am also sure it is a East German Rework. Any Thoughts?

Johnny Peppers · 03-17-2002, 10:54 PM

I don't remember the exact wording, but Jan Still probably said it best when he said that until definitive proof is found of their origin, the Death Head Lugers will remain a hotly debated subject.

03-17-2002, 11:02 PM

Being on the unknown side, I would take it as a fun item, something for conversation...

And unless it was costly pay for it accordingly.

ed

Lonnie Zimmerman · 03-17-2002, 11:49 PM

Luger Ken; I know of nobody that can answer this question, and be sure.

Lonnie

03-18-2002, 12:06 AM

A photo of the deaths head would enable some comparison with other known examples. Existing DH's seem all to be end of WW1 lugers in well-worn condition. I have heard of a couple that are claimed to have been in recent imports. If yours came to you straight from an importer, that suggests it is some form of 1916-1918 marking.

John Sabato · 03-18-2002, 11:32 AM

So we can compare it to others known to this forum...

Thanks,

John Sabato

03-18-2002, 01:24 PM

Thanks for all the response, I'll take an image tonight and post it. ..Ken

Jesse · 03-18-2002, 03:21 PM

Is this a gun that you have or are you thinking about buying? Jesse

John Sabato · 03-18-2002, 04:22 PM

But the first mention of a Death's Head Luger and you are standing right on the keyboard! How do you do it? Do you have some kind of sixth sense?

regards,

John

MarkC · 03-18-2002, 04:25 PM

I have seen two of these guns in the past and they were crude fakes!

The reference "Backbone of the Wehrmacht" has a chapter on the K98 Death Head rifles with some great photo's of Death Heads. My personal GEW 98 Death Head rework allowed me to compare the detail of the scull with the lack of detail in the fakes.

Jesse · 03-18-2002, 06:44 PM

Yeah my sixth sense started pulling me to the Luger forum uncontrollably, next thing I know IÃ¢??m drooling on my keyboard !!! I try to check in from time to time but I'm always on the go these days. I hope this summer I will have a little more time.

Jesse

03-18-2002, 07:11 PM

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/dh1.jpg

03-17-2002, 10:04 PM	#1
luger ken Guest Posts: n/a	Death Head Luger Question Hello, Yes I am a newbee. But I have done alot of reading on this message board, and I like it. I have come across a Death Head Luger (1916 DWM) on a Mauser lower frame (toggle pin retaining buldge). How do I know that the, atleat the upper part is real or fake? Is there any way to tell by the Death Head stamping? I really feel that it is not authentic. But you never know. I am also sure it is a East German Rework. Any Thoughts?

03-17-2002, 10:54 PM	#2
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Death Head Luger Question I don't remember the exact wording, but Jan Still probably said it best when he said that until definitive proof is found of their origin, the Death Head Lugers will remain a hotly debated subject.

03-17-2002, 11:02 PM	#3
66mustang Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Death Head Luger Question Being on the unknown side, I would take it as a fun item, something for conversation... And unless it was costly pay for it accordingly. ed

03-17-2002, 11:49 PM	#4
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Death Head Luger Question Luger Ken; I know of nobody that can answer this question, and be sure. Lonnie

03-18-2002, 12:06 AM	#5
mlm Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Death Head Luger Question A photo of the deaths head would enable some comparison with other known examples. Existing DH's seem all to be end of WW1 lugers in well-worn condition. I have heard of a couple that are claimed to have been in recent imports. If yours came to you straight from an importer, that suggests it is some form of 1916-1918 marking.

03-18-2002, 11:32 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Please post a clear photo or scan of the death's head mark... So we can compare it to others known to this forum... Thanks, John Sabato

03-18-2002, 01:24 PM	#7
Luger Ken Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Please post a clear photo or scan of the death's head mark... Thanks for all the response, I'll take an image tonight and post it. ..Ken

03-18-2002, 03:21 PM	#8
Jesse User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW VA Posts: 103 Thanks: 6 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Death Head Luger Question Is this a gun that you have or are you thinking about buying? Jesse

03-18-2002, 04:22 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Gosh Jesse, we don't hear from you for weeks at a time! But the first mention of a Death's Head Luger and you are standing right on the keyboard! How do you do it? Do you have some kind of sixth sense? regards, John

03-18-2002, 04:25 PM	#10
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Death Head Luger Question I have seen two of these guns in the past and they were crude fakes! The reference "Backbone of the Wehrmacht" has a chapter on the K98 Death Head rifles with some great photo's of Death Heads. My personal GEW 98 Death Head rework allowed me to compare the detail of the scull with the lack of detail in the fakes.

03-18-2002, 06:44 PM	#11
Jesse User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW VA Posts: 103 Thanks: 6 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts	Did Somebody Say DeathHead! Yeah my sixth sense started pulling me to the Luger forum uncontrollably, next thing I know IÃ¢??m drooling on my keyboard !!! I try to check in from time to time but I'm always on the go these days. I hope this summer I will have a little more time. Jesse

03-18-2002, 07:11 PM	#12
Luger Ken Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Death Head Luger Question PHOTO http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/dh1.jpg