Luger Questions?

Behr70 · 09-11-2012, 05:03 PM

I have not been on this forum for a long while. I sold my Luger some time back. However, I recently came across this Luger that a friend was left from an estate.

I know the experts are here and I appreciate any insight.

The barrel appears to be 11", marked DWM on top of slide, with serial number 21,9XX, and 30 Cal.

I disassembled and every part matched serial number wise. The magazine is not numbered. It does not have the stock like it was originally intended.

Here are a couple pics. I know the stock missing takes away value. I have no idea what this is worth and don't trust GB as a source.

Thanks!

Curly1 · 09-11-2012, 05:11 PM

Tha is nice.

sheepherder · 09-11-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Curly1

Tha is nice.

Yes it is! A carbine built on a 1900 action...I believe you are looking at a couple thousand at least...Even without the stock...

Edit: Make that many thousands...As in 1...2...3...Many...

(IF it's original...Eugene and others make some nice carbines today...)

Ron Wood · 09-11-2012, 06:00 PM

A fairly nice 1902 Carbine. It has a few issues such as rust spots and wear, but still easily somewhere in the $12,000-$15,000 range.

alanint · 09-11-2012, 06:49 PM

Your first photo shows some sort of anomaly in the rear toggle area just above the lanyard loop. Could you show us this area in a close up?

sheepherder · 09-11-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Your first photo shows some sort of anomaly in the rear toggle area just above the lanyard loop.

Good catch!

Yes...What is that???

sheepherder · 09-11-2012, 09:34 PM

Maybe an attachment point for a Borchardt-like stock??? It's in the right place...

Although it does have a backstrap stock lug...That's odd, isn't it??? A 1902 with a stock lug???

MFC · 09-11-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

Although it does have a backstrap stock lug...That's odd, isn't it??? A 1902 with a stock lug???

Not at all... As Ron stated, it is a 1902 Carbine. The stock is missing.

Behr70 · 09-12-2012, 11:57 AM

Thanks for all the help! Over the lanyard loop there is two screws. Is this what you are talking about? I had no idea I was messing with a Luger of this value. I just don't want the owners to be taken since firearms are rather foreign subject in thier lives. They have surely came across something different. I will see if I can get a better pic of the rear of the pistol today in order to clear up what is on the back.

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2012, 01:05 PM

This is clearly a high end item and all the photos will be a good investment in aiding us in an honest evaluation.
You have stumbled on one that most of us only dream of finding.
dju

alanint · 09-12-2012, 02:21 PM

Two screws sticking out of the back of the pistol will most certainly affect the estimated value of the pistol offered up by other members. There are not suppoed to be any screws back there.

It is critical to understand what happened in this area to give you a better idea of value.

Behr70 · 09-12-2012, 03:38 PM

I surely see what you mean. I found this one on GB, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305055847, and it does not have the two screws in the back. I also notice on the back of the slide, if think I am using the wrong part name here, it is stamped with the last two ser # digits. The one I examined was stamped with the last three and smaller parts with only two. The plot thickens a little. Did they fake these pistols? I have no idea why anyone would add these two screws and what purposed they served. More pics coming!

JTD · 09-12-2012, 08:21 PM

I would bet somebody mounted some kind of optics or sight to it at one time.

John Sabato · 09-13-2012, 09:41 AM

I don't believe that these two screws would be used for optics or other sighting device because operation of the toggle would destroy anything mounted back there.

I can offer my guess that these two screws were used to mount some kind of a custom shoulder stock in conjunction with the standard stock lug...

Behr70 · 09-20-2012, 06:52 PM

Thanks fo all the replies! I was hoping to get some close ups of the back but the owner has since moved another direction. I was just trying to assist but some feel the need to move quickly. I hope it found a good home for a a fair deal.

DavidJayUden · 09-20-2012, 07:04 PM

So just out of curiousity, what became of the gun? And since it doesn't seem to have gone into this crowd, if it sold can you tell us for how much?
dju

09-11-2012, 05:03 PM	#1
Behr70 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger Questions? I have not been on this forum for a long while. I sold my Luger some time back. However, I recently came across this Luger that a friend was left from an estate. I know the experts are here and I appreciate any insight. The barrel appears to be 11", marked DWM on top of slide, with serial number 21,9XX, and 30 Cal. I disassembled and every part matched serial number wise. The magazine is not numbered. It does not have the stock like it was originally intended. Here are a couple pics. I know the stock missing takes away value. I have no idea what this is worth and don't trust GB as a source. Thanks!

09-11-2012, 05:11 PM	#2
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,230 Thanks: 113 Thanked 703 Times in 365 Posts	Tha is nice. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

09-11-2012, 06:00 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	A fairly nice 1902 Carbine. It has a few issues such as rust spots and wear, but still easily somewhere in the $12,000-$15,000 range. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-11-2012, 09:34 PM	#7
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Maybe an attachment point for a Borchardt-like stock??? It's in the right place... Although it does have a backstrap stock lug...That's odd, isn't it??? A 1902 with a stock lug??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

09-13-2012, 09:41 AM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I don't believe that these two screws would be used for optics or other sighting device because operation of the toggle would destroy anything mounted back there. I can offer my guess that these two screws were used to mount some kind of a custom shoulder stock in conjunction with the standard stock lug... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-11-2012, 06:49 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Your first photo shows some sort of anomaly in the rear toggle area just above the lanyard loop. Could you show us this area in a close up?

09-12-2012, 11:57 AM	#9
Behr70 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the help! Over the lanyard loop there is two screws. Is this what you are talking about? I had no idea I was messing with a Luger of this value. I just don't want the owners to be taken since firearms are rather foreign subject in thier lives. They have surely came across something different. I will see if I can get a better pic of the rear of the pistol today in order to clear up what is on the back.

09-12-2012, 01:05 PM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	This is clearly a high end item and all the photos will be a good investment in aiding us in an honest evaluation. You have stumbled on one that most of us only dream of finding. dju

09-12-2012, 02:21 PM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Two screws sticking out of the back of the pistol will most certainly affect the estimated value of the pistol offered up by other members. There are not suppoed to be any screws back there. It is critical to understand what happened in this area to give you a better idea of value.

09-12-2012, 03:38 PM	#12
Behr70 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I surely see what you mean. I found this one on GB, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305055847, and it does not have the two screws in the back. I also notice on the back of the slide, if think I am using the wrong part name here, it is stamped with the last two ser # digits. The one I examined was stamped with the last three and smaller parts with only two. The plot thickens a little. Did they fake these pistols? I have no idea why anyone would add these two screws and what purposed they served. More pics coming!

09-12-2012, 08:21 PM	#13
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 215 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	I would bet somebody mounted some kind of optics or sight to it at one time.

09-20-2012, 06:52 PM	#15
Behr70 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks fo all the replies! I was hoping to get some close ups of the back but the owner has since moved another direction. I was just trying to assist but some feel the need to move quickly. I hope it found a good home for a a fair deal.

09-20-2012, 07:04 PM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	So just out of curiousity, what became of the gun? And since it doesn't seem to have gone into this crowd, if it sold can you tell us for how much? dju