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Shadowsix · 06-02-2012, 01:09 PM

Ok, a report update:

After my last cleaning of the Erma after the range I wanted to see if it was the grease I used or that I just have a good example of an Erma La 22.

As I said earlier when I first aquired the Erma & took it apart I found that the prior owner had used a black grease so when I put it back together from it's first cleaning I used some shooter's choice grease (red) I still had in my cleaning tool box.

When I took it to the range I got the results mentioned in my first post (excellent). Then cleaning it after that range outing I decided to try only my advanced gun oil to see how it would run on just that. Good thing I brought the oil with me to the range because before long it was stove piping & other jams and wouldn't run on the subsonic till I poured more oil all through out it (and that would only last a mag or two!)

So then I cleaned it again & lubed it up liberally with the grease (and oil in some places) and WHAM it functioned beautifully again like the first time on my subsequent range outing!

So the point is for my Erma La 22 (and I suspect others) is that they will run beautifully on a good high tech grease (especially the breechblock) & some oil and not on high tech oil alone.

I've now ordered some brownells action lube plus of which I'll try in it next (what I think the last person used & from what I've been told is the best gun grease).

rhuff · 06-02-2012, 02:58 PM

Glad to hear that you are figuring out your Erma, and exactly what it takes to make it run reliably for you. There are a "whole herd" of excellent gun greases and oils available to us, and most folks find something that works for them, and then stick with it. I have been very pleased with TW25b as a grease, and use Outers, or G-oil for the oiling chores. There are just so many really good ones available.

Shadowsix · 06-06-2012, 05:22 PM

Thanks rhuff! I'll probably look at that TW25b grease also just to see how well the Erma likes it.

Now for an ammo update for the Erma La 22:

Now that I have the lubrication down for the Erma it was time to focus in on a particular ammo.

I purchased more subsonic, regular velocity, and some higher velocity (but not over 1200fps as has been recomended) to take to the range yesterday. For the subsonic I found Remington (38gr), the regular velocity Federal (36gr) and for the higher velocity I bought CCI AR Tactical (40 gr, 1200fps).

Funny enough the subsonic & the tactical worked well but the Erma (even well lubed up) didn't like the regular velocty (mostly stove pipe jams).

The subsonic worked well but would not always actuate the hold open with the last round but the Tactical ammo never had a problem!

From what I see it seems that 40gr ammo works best, the 38gr ok, and the 36gr barely at all.

Probably the best ammo when I can get it in bulk would be 40gr subsonic to preserve the life of the gun.

rhuff · 06-07-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowsix

Probably the best ammo when I can get it in bulk would be 40gr subsonic to preserve the life of the gun.

I agree 100%!!! The softer the load, the less stress and strain on the toggle system......and that is a good thing in these guns(also in the P08 Lugers) If, sometime in the future, you decide to experiment some more, there are many different std. velocity .22 cal cartridges out there for sale that might be a perfect match for your Erma. You are waaaaaaay ahead by finding a subsonic that will function reliably in your gun. Enjoy.

Shadowsix · 06-15-2012, 11:36 AM

Was thinking of trying an interesting ammo I ran across but wanted to know what you guys think first.

A 60gr subsonic (950fps) 22lr ammo made by a company called Aguila.

.22 LR Aguila Sniper SubSonic 60 Grain 500 Round Box 950 fps

Do you guys think it would be too much or would it be safe to shoot in the Erma?

rhuff · 06-15-2012, 04:22 PM

That ammo is manufactured in Mexico. I have never tried any of it, but had heard/read good reports on it. Since it is listed as subsonic ammo, the chamber pressures will be more than safe for your Erma. That company also makes a .22 cartridge with NO powder at all, just a primer disc to propell the bullet(very slowly). It will not cycle an auto's action, but is very, very quiet when you shoot it(think backyard). When you shoot that ammo in a pistol with a can, you only hear the hammer/firing pin function.

Shadowsix · 06-18-2012, 06:22 PM

Went to the range and tried out the Aguila Sniper 60gr 950fps subsonic rounds in the Erma and they worked great.

Even actuated the hold open every time of which the Remington subsonics (38gr, 1050fps) I tried before would only sporadically do it from mag to mag!

People at the range would do a double take when seeing me load these rounds that look more bullet than cartridge! LOL

I've settled on the Brownells action lube plus for the Erma and it does not disappoint! I found Shooters Choice lube lasting for maybe 130 rounds before trouble started, whereas today I got to around 310 rounds with the Brownells before trouble started!

06-02-2012, 01:09 PM	#1
Shadowsix User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 106 Thanks: 56 Thanked 26 Times in 18 Posts	Ok, a report update: After my last cleaning of the Erma after the range I wanted to see if it was the grease I used or that I just have a good example of an Erma La 22. As I said earlier when I first aquired the Erma & took it apart I found that the prior owner had used a black grease so when I put it back together from it's first cleaning I used some shooter's choice grease (red) I still had in my cleaning tool box. When I took it to the range I got the results mentioned in my first post (excellent). Then cleaning it after that range outing I decided to try only my advanced gun oil to see how it would run on just that. Good thing I brought the oil with me to the range because before long it was stove piping & other jams and wouldn't run on the subsonic till I poured more oil all through out it (and that would only last a mag or two!) So then I cleaned it again & lubed it up liberally with the grease (and oil in some places) and WHAM it functioned beautifully again like the first time on my subsequent range outing! So the point is for my Erma La 22 (and I suspect others) is that they will run beautifully on a good high tech grease (especially the breechblock) & some oil and not on high tech oil alone. I've now ordered some brownells action lube plus of which I'll try in it next (what I think the last person used & from what I've been told is the best gun grease).

06-02-2012, 02:58 PM	#2
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	Glad to hear that you are figuring out your Erma, and exactly what it takes to make it run reliably for you. There are a "whole herd" of excellent gun greases and oils available to us, and most folks find something that works for them, and then stick with it. I have been very pleased with TW25b as a grease, and use Outers, or G-oil for the oiling chores. There are just so many really good ones available.

06-06-2012, 05:22 PM	#3
Shadowsix User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 106 Thanks: 56 Thanked 26 Times in 18 Posts	Thanks rhuff! I'll probably look at that TW25b grease also just to see how well the Erma likes it. Now for an ammo update for the Erma La 22: Now that I have the lubrication down for the Erma it was time to focus in on a particular ammo. I purchased more subsonic, regular velocity, and some higher velocity (but not over 1200fps as has been recomended) to take to the range yesterday. For the subsonic I found Remington (38gr), the regular velocity Federal (36gr) and for the higher velocity I bought CCI AR Tactical (40 gr, 1200fps). Funny enough the subsonic & the tactical worked well but the Erma (even well lubed up) didn't like the regular velocty (mostly stove pipe jams). The subsonic worked well but would not always actuate the hold open with the last round but the Tactical ammo never had a problem! From what I see it seems that 40gr ammo works best, the 38gr ok, and the 36gr barely at all. Probably the best ammo when I can get it in bulk would be 40gr subsonic to preserve the life of the gun.

06-15-2012, 11:36 AM	#5
Shadowsix User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 106 Thanks: 56 Thanked 26 Times in 18 Posts	Was thinking of trying an interesting ammo I ran across but wanted to know what you guys think first. A 60gr subsonic (950fps) 22lr ammo made by a company called Aguila. .22 LR Aguila Sniper SubSonic 60 Grain 500 Round Box 950 fps Do you guys think it would be too much or would it be safe to shoot in the Erma?

06-15-2012, 04:22 PM	#6
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	That ammo is manufactured in Mexico. I have never tried any of it, but had heard/read good reports on it. Since it is listed as subsonic ammo, the chamber pressures will be more than safe for your Erma. That company also makes a .22 cartridge with NO powder at all, just a primer disc to propell the bullet(very slowly). It will not cycle an auto's action, but is very, very quiet when you shoot it(think backyard). When you shoot that ammo in a pistol with a can, you only hear the hammer/firing pin function.

06-18-2012, 06:22 PM	#7
Shadowsix User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 106 Thanks: 56 Thanked 26 Times in 18 Posts	Went to the range and tried out the Aguila Sniper 60gr 950fps subsonic rounds in the Erma and they worked great. Even actuated the hold open every time of which the Remington subsonics (38gr, 1050fps) I tried before would only sporadically do it from mag to mag! People at the range would do a double take when seeing me load these rounds that look more bullet than cartridge! LOL I've settled on the Brownells action lube plus for the Erma and it does not disappoint! I found Shooters Choice lube lasting for maybe 130 rounds before trouble started, whereas today I got to around 310 rounds with the Brownells before trouble started!