What is this part called...

siegersallee · 05-13-2012, 12:59 PM

Hi all,

I have looked all over the internet to try to find out the name of a particular part of a Luger...all to naught.

The part in question:

On left-hand-side of the of the pistol is the magazine release.

The magazine release covers a pin that extends through the frame and terminates on the right-hand-side of the pistol.

On Erfurts, on the right-hand-side, this pin has a proof marking and is "strawed".

I have uploaded a pic to help understand what part I am asking about.

Does this pin have a name?

thanks,
Richard

policeluger · 05-13-2012, 01:06 PM

?? do you mean take down lever, not mag release and is the "pin" in question the take down lever spring????

siegersallee · 05-13-2012, 01:10 PM

Sorry, policeluger, I did not explain my question well...I have uploaded a pic to help with the explanation.

I probably should not have called this thing a pin, it is really too large for that but hopefully, this thing has a name.

mrerick · 05-13-2012, 01:16 PM

So (from the parts diagram on our site) you're referring to part number "021"?

It is the other end of the "Magazine Catch". See the photo under description number 29 on this page...

As seen in step 28, it's held in place by the "Magazine Catch Spring".

Marc

policeluger · 05-13-2012, 01:19 PM

yep....just other side of mag button....

siegersallee · 05-13-2012, 03:12 PM

Thanks guys...now I will sound reasonably knowledgeable when I speak of the "backside

of magazine spring catch".

Oh well, it is what it is...

Thanks...I have had no end of trouble trying to explain what I am speaking of in posts and over the phone.

I can now refer them to this post and hopefully, they will understand.

I love this site

Auf zum Sieg!!!

Richard

siegersallee · 05-13-2012, 03:19 PM

mrerick,

I looked at the parts diagram found on the
"Technical Information" -> "Parts and Assembly List" and did not find either the magazine release or the "backside of the magazine spring catch" listed.

Is there another parts list and diagram that I have missed?

Richard

mrerick · 05-13-2012, 03:36 PM

HI Richard,

I embedded links to the reference information in my earlier posting.

The term "magazine catch" is used in the link embedded in "this page...".

GySgt1811 · 05-13-2012, 03:57 PM

Richard,

1) Make sure your pistol is unloaded. Remove the magazine.
2) Safety off.
3) Holding the pistol in your right hand, push the barrel against a hard surface such as a table top. When the barrel/upper assembly has moved to the rear about 3/8", rotate the take down lever to its bottom position. Remove the now loose side plate.
4) Pull the upper assembly forward and remove it completely from the pistol.
5) Unscrew the hold down screw from the left grip panel and carefully raise the lower end of the left grip panel by placing your finger into the magazine well and pushing upward on the grip panel. Carefully remove the grip panel. This procedure is to keep from chipping the grip panel at the safety lever area.
6) Observe the small flat concave spring that fits between the top of the knurled magazine release button and a small cut in the bottom of the receiver side panel. With your thumb slide the top of this flat spring to the front of the receiver. It will come free of the pistol.
7) Using a small soft piece of wood or plastic, if necessary, push the magazine release button through the pistol frame from left to right. It will come free of the pistol.

All of this is to let you see the nature and operation of the "pin that runs through the frame".

Reassembly is in reverse order with the caveat that the small flat magazine release spring must be installed "concave," as it faces you, so that it will properly operate to secure the magazine release button in place and provide proper tension in order for the button to operate. Also, be aware when re-installing the complete upper cannon assembly into the lower assembly that the "S" shaped stirrup found dangling at the rear bottom of the cannon assembly must be guided into proper contact in front of and under the stirrup receiver that connects to the main spring assembly.

I apologize if I've merely stated the known and obvious. I'm open to and welcome "Grading" by the real experts.

As always, best regards

John

siegersallee · 05-13-2012, 04:25 PM

Thanks mrerick, for the link...I will study it and learn from it.

Thanks John, I will follow your steps to learn more...

Now I have one more question...

I have seen ads that advertise their Erfurts as all matching; but, I have noted that the proof stamp supposed to be on this pin is missing.

Does that mean the pin, ( "backside of the magazine catch" ...see pic above ) is a replacement?

Does the claim "all matching" include the stamp that is supposed to be on this pin?

thanks,
Richard

Norme · 05-13-2012, 04:52 PM

Hi Richard, Erfurt was a state owned armory, and was crawling with inspectors who insisted on enforcing the marking regulations to the letter. All parts on Erfurts, except springs, should have a Crown/Gothic inspection mark, including even grip screws up to 1916. The right side of the magazine release should be marked, if it's not, it isn't an Erfurt part. Regards, Norm

alanint · 05-13-2012, 04:55 PM

I'm confused...Is the photo you provided with the red circle around this "pin" your pistol? If so, there is an Erfurt proof right smack in the middle of it. Later Magazine catches were not numbered, but Erfurt pins were proofed.

siegersallee · 05-14-2012, 12:23 PM

Hi alanint and Norm,

Yes, this photo is of my pistol which I know is a real (all parts and grips marked) Erfurt...except for the mag which is period correct.

My question was about another luger that I have been eyeing.

The seller says that his pistol is an all matching Erfurt; however, I saw that on his pistol this pin did not have the Erfurt stamp.

So now that I know for sure that this pin should be marked, I do not think his pistol is worth what he is asking.

I just wanted to be sure, that's why I was asking this rather involved question.

Richard

05-13-2012, 12:59 PM	#1
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	What is this part called... Hi all, I have looked all over the internet to try to find out the name of a particular part of a Luger...all to naught. The part in question: On left-hand-side of the of the pistol is the magazine release. The magazine release covers a pin that extends through the frame and terminates on the right-hand-side of the pistol. On Erfurts, on the right-hand-side, this pin has a proof marking and is "strawed". I have uploaded a pic to help understand what part I am asking about. Does this pin have a name? thanks, Richard Attached Thumbnails

05-13-2012, 01:16 PM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	So (from the parts diagram on our site) you're referring to part number "021"? It is the other end of the "Magazine Catch". See the photo under description number 29 on this page... As seen in step 28, it's held in place by the "Magazine Catch Spring". Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-13-2012, 03:36 PM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	HI Richard, I embedded links to the reference information in my earlier posting. The term "magazine catch" is used in the link embedded in "this page...". __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-13-2012, 01:06 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	?? do you mean take down lever, not mag release and is the "pin" in question the take down lever spring????

05-13-2012, 01:10 PM	#3
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Sorry, policeluger, I did not explain my question well...I have uploaded a pic to help with the explanation. I probably should not have called this thing a pin, it is really too large for that but hopefully, this thing has a name.

05-13-2012, 01:19 PM	#5
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	yep....just other side of mag button....

05-13-2012, 03:12 PM	#6
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Thanks guys...now I will sound reasonably knowledgeable when I speak of the "backside of magazine spring catch". Oh well, it is what it is... Thanks...I have had no end of trouble trying to explain what I am speaking of in posts and over the phone. I can now refer them to this post and hopefully, they will understand. I love this site Auf zum Sieg!!! Richard

05-13-2012, 03:19 PM	#7
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	mrerick, I looked at the parts diagram found on the "Technical Information" -> "Parts and Assembly List" and did not find either the magazine release or the "backside of the magazine spring catch" listed. Is there another parts list and diagram that I have missed? Richard

05-13-2012, 03:57 PM	#9
GySgt1811 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 237 Thanks: 1,238 Thanked 126 Times in 84 Posts	Richard, 1) Make sure your pistol is unloaded. Remove the magazine. 2) Safety off. 3) Holding the pistol in your right hand, push the barrel against a hard surface such as a table top. When the barrel/upper assembly has moved to the rear about 3/8", rotate the take down lever to its bottom position. Remove the now loose side plate. 4) Pull the upper assembly forward and remove it completely from the pistol. 5) Unscrew the hold down screw from the left grip panel and carefully raise the lower end of the left grip panel by placing your finger into the magazine well and pushing upward on the grip panel. Carefully remove the grip panel. This procedure is to keep from chipping the grip panel at the safety lever area. 6) Observe the small flat concave spring that fits between the top of the knurled magazine release button and a small cut in the bottom of the receiver side panel. With your thumb slide the top of this flat spring to the front of the receiver. It will come free of the pistol. 7) Using a small soft piece of wood or plastic, if necessary, push the magazine release button through the pistol frame from left to right. It will come free of the pistol. All of this is to let you see the nature and operation of the "pin that runs through the frame". Reassembly is in reverse order with the caveat that the small flat magazine release spring must be installed "concave," as it faces you, so that it will properly operate to secure the magazine release button in place and provide proper tension in order for the button to operate. Also, be aware when re-installing the complete upper cannon assembly into the lower assembly that the "S" shaped stirrup found dangling at the rear bottom of the cannon assembly must be guided into proper contact in front of and under the stirrup receiver that connects to the main spring assembly. I apologize if I've merely stated the known and obvious. I'm open to and welcome "Grading" by the real experts. As always, best regards John

05-13-2012, 04:25 PM	#10
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Thanks mrerick, for the link...I will study it and learn from it. Thanks John, I will follow your steps to learn more... Now I have one more question... I have seen ads that advertise their Erfurts as all matching; but, I have noted that the proof stamp supposed to be on this pin is missing. Does that mean the pin, ( "backside of the magazine catch" ...see pic above ) is a replacement? Does the claim "all matching" include the stamp that is supposed to be on this pin? thanks, Richard

05-13-2012, 04:52 PM	#11
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Richard, Erfurt was a state owned armory, and was crawling with inspectors who insisted on enforcing the marking regulations to the letter. All parts on Erfurts, except springs, should have a Crown/Gothic inspection mark, including even grip screws up to 1916. The right side of the magazine release should be marked, if it's not, it isn't an Erfurt part. Regards, Norm

05-13-2012, 04:55 PM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	I'm confused...Is the photo you provided with the red circle around this "pin" your pistol? If so, there is an Erfurt proof right smack in the middle of it. Later Magazine catches were not numbered, but Erfurt pins were proofed.

05-14-2012, 12:23 PM	#13
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Hi alanint and Norm, Yes, this photo is of my pistol which I know is a real (all parts and grips marked) Erfurt...except for the mag which is period correct. My question was about another luger that I have been eyeing. The seller says that his pistol is an all matching Erfurt; however, I saw that on his pistol this pin did not have the Erfurt stamp. So now that I know for sure that this pin should be marked, I do not think his pistol is worth what he is asking. I just wanted to be sure, that's why I was asking this rather involved question. Richard