HK Top End

Michael Zeleny · 05-04-2012, 07:29 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=284526220
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140745291959

Somewhere out there, a FrankenKrieghoff yearns to be born...

ithacaartist · 05-04-2012, 08:08 PM

Michael, I think I also, last week, saw a pair of Kreighoff grips being auctioned off. Sorry, didn't keep the link, could have added it to your list. Would a Kreighoff assembled from all mis-matched Kerighoff parts be something a little special, or merely another shooter?

Michael Zeleny · 05-04-2012, 08:21 PM

More special than the latter-day Krieghoffs that Simpson marks up from 3,000 Euros to $18,000.

Edward Tinker · 05-04-2012, 09:15 PM

Michael, are you saying that the new Krieghoff's can be had in europe for 3k euro's?

When they first came out, they were advertized at 15k I thought?

Also, I have a pair of krieg grips and an upper (no toggle) upstairs that an older collector wants me to sell (upper is in rough shape)

Michael Zeleny · 05-04-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Michael, are you saying that the new Krieghoff's can be had in europe for 3k euro's?

That's what I heard from several German gun people. Here is another testimonial.

Edward Tinker · 05-04-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

That's what I heard from several German gun people. Here is another testimonial.

not a very good testimonial

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Price for this pistol was about 3000 Euros (if memory serves well).

Google search conducted took me right to the Krieghoff site

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The Parabellum pistol is now available for delivery in the United States.
The cost is $17,545.00 U.S. Currency, FOB Krieghoff International, Ottsville PA, which includes US Federal Excise Tax. FOB Krieghoff factory in Germany. The price includes specially made aluminum pistol case machined from solid aluminum block and imprinted with the authentic Krieghoff anchor insignia; additional magazine and Certificate of Authenticity signed by Dieter Krieghoff.
Only 200 pistols will be made.
Prices are subject to change without notice.

Michael Zeleny · 05-05-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

not a very good testimonial

I find the German gunmakers who quoted me the 3,000 Euro price more credible than the statement the Krieghoff website.

spartacus38 · 05-05-2012, 12:36 AM

Sure would be nice to be able to buy one for 3000 Euros. I am all in. How can I get one?
spartacus38@charter.net
Bob

Ron Wood · 05-05-2012, 01:22 AM

Not to doubt German gunmakers, but 3,000 Euros is a bargain basement price. I have a little bit of a difficult time in reconciling the difference between the European price and the US price. I know we are suckers to overspend, but this goes a bit beyond reason. A documented price in Europe of 3,000 Euros would set my doubts at ease.

Michael Zeleny · 05-05-2012, 01:25 AM

Sorry, I was told this in confidence. But in fact, 3,000 Euros is well at the upper end of German custom Luger jobs. I suggest making your own inquiries and watching eGun.de.

Ron Wood · 05-05-2012, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

I suggest making your own inquiries and watching eGun.de.

Nah, I'm not that interested. I will rely on your judgement. There is a big difference between custom Luger jobs and the profit margin required by a major arms company to produce limited production pieces.

Edward Tinker · 05-05-2012, 06:48 PM

'custom luger jobs'

How does that compare to a new made Krieghoff?

That is apples and oranges?

Can you please provide links to egun.de on Krieghoff's, not custom luger jobs?

Michael Zeleny · 05-05-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

'custom luger jobs'

How does that compare to a new made Krieghoff?

That is apples and oranges?

Can you please provide links to egun.de on Krieghoff's, not custom luger jobs?

I am not terribly impressed by branding, and as far as I can tell, the labor and materials that go into a newly made Krieghoff are comparable to those invested into a Wagner carbine, offered at € 2,310.00, including MwSt. Having imported hundreds of firearms from Germany and Switzerland on ATF Form 6, I have no reason to doubt the pricing reported to me by my German suppliers. Please note also that the latest original Krieghoff Lugerslisted on eGun.de failed to sell at € 2,999.00 and € 1,500.00. I suggest using the following link to search for its latter-day successors:
http://www.google.com/search?&q=krie...site%3Aegun.de

Edward Tinker · 05-05-2012, 08:24 PM

no thanks, you obviously know better, having imported hundreds of firearms

Michael Zeleny · 05-06-2012, 05:07 AM

I meant no offense. As a favor to the forum, I will gladly refer to my suppliers in Germany any Krieghoff collector wishing to find a newly made HK.

05-04-2012, 07:29 PM	#1
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 139 Times in 76 Posts	HK Top End http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=284526220 http://www.ebay.com/itm/140745291959 Somewhere out there, a FrankenKrieghoff yearns to be born... __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

05-04-2012, 08:21 PM	#3
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 139 Times in 76 Posts	More special than the latter-day Krieghoffs that Simpson marks up from 3,000 Euros to $18,000. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

05-04-2012, 09:15 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,955 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 4,573 Times in 2,110 Posts	Michael, are you saying that the new Krieghoff's can be had in europe for 3k euro's? When they first came out, they were advertized at 15k I thought? Also, I have a pair of krieg grips and an upper (no toggle) upstairs that an older collector wants me to sell (upper is in rough shape) __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-05-2012, 01:22 AM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,034 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,238 Times in 1,718 Posts	Not to doubt German gunmakers, but 3,000 Euros is a bargain basement price. I have a little bit of a difficult time in reconciling the difference between the European price and the US price. I know we are suckers to overspend, but this goes a bit beyond reason. A documented price in Europe of 3,000 Euros would set my doubts at ease. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-05-2012, 01:25 AM	#10
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 139 Times in 76 Posts	Sorry, I was told this in confidence. But in fact, 3,000 Euros is well at the upper end of German custom Luger jobs. I suggest making your own inquiries and watching eGun.de. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

05-04-2012, 08:08 PM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,362 Thanks: 7,408 Thanked 2,595 Times in 1,374 Posts	Michael, I think I also, last week, saw a pair of Kreighoff grips being auctioned off. Sorry, didn't keep the link, could have added it to your list. Would a Kreighoff assembled from all mis-matched Kerighoff parts be something a little special, or merely another shooter?

05-05-2012, 12:36 AM	#8
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Sure would be nice to be able to buy one for 3000 Euros. I am all in. How can I get one? spartacus38@charter.net Bob

05-05-2012, 06:48 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,955 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 4,573 Times in 2,110 Posts	'custom luger jobs' How does that compare to a new made Krieghoff? That is apples and oranges? Can you please provide links to egun.de on Krieghoff's, not custom luger jobs?

05-05-2012, 08:24 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,955 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 4,573 Times in 2,110 Posts	no thanks, you obviously know better, having imported hundreds of firearms

05-06-2012, 05:07 AM	#15
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 139 Times in 76 Posts	I meant no offense. As a favor to the forum, I will gladly refer to my suppliers in Germany any Krieghoff collector wishing to find a newly made HK. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett