Was this a good deal?

cdmech · 04-19-2012, 11:07 PM

Was this a good deal for the buyer? It sold really fast.
Marc
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...2d36a46b75c426

Dwight Gruber · 04-20-2012, 12:16 AM

No

--Dwight

lugerholsterrepair · 04-20-2012, 12:25 AM

I agree with Dwight..Like anything else you might want to build up from parts..it's always more expensive. Better to buy the whole thing in the case of a Luger. Looks like a nice frame but it will always be a parts gun.

ithacaartist · 04-20-2012, 12:25 AM

+1

Perhaps if he can get the remaining parts for next to nothing and competently fit them himself, he might wind up with a presentable, but inescapably mismatched, shooter worth maybe a couple hundred more, if it's done right. Now, allow me to place this snowball in a 375 degree oven and check to see if it's still there in the morning...

DP

alanint · 04-20-2012, 05:43 AM

Agreed. There is always that ONE case where somebody just happens to have enough parts laying around and just need a frame. To that person's mind the gun cost a total of $400.

alvin · 04-20-2012, 07:23 AM

I did a survey at home. "For around $400, which one you want .....

1) a Luger frame in nice shape;
2) a tiny 1/4 oz Krugerrand;
3) a new iPad 2;
4) forget it, I keep greenback.

Spouse picks 4). Kid picks 3). I pick 2). No one wants 1).

padredan · 04-20-2012, 08:42 AM

yes it's a good deal, if you happen to be Simpson Ltd

Norme · 04-20-2012, 09:08 AM

While a P08 frame in good condition for $400.00 might not seem like a good deal to most of us, it would be a different story if one happened to own a DWM upper or, say, an Artillery with a ground stock lug. Regards, Norm

padredan · 04-20-2012, 10:03 AM

this is very true, depends on what you might need it for.

ithacaartist · 04-20-2012, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

While a P08 frame in good condition for $400.00 might not seem like a good deal to most of us, it would be a different story if one happened to own a DWM upper or, say, an Artillery with a ground stock lug. Regards, Norm

My Arty had its stock lug ground off. I paid G.T. about 1/16 of that $400 for a rear frame half that still had the lug, to prepare for that project. So if it's for a project that uses less than half of the frame, it makes more logistical and economic sense to buy one of those chunks. I see better advantage taken of what's there to use it for a Martz style conversion, which, if one used a big front "half" of this frame to marry to the other donor's big back "half", then he'd have remaining the smaller back "half" from this one for a stock lug restoration!

I say, if you're going to chop up something irreplaceable, be as creatively frugal as you can with the material and use every possible bit of it.

If we use the "Simpson Rule"* we'd multiply the price by 0.66 arrive at a figure that is more humane and in line with what we'd think it should cost. Doesn't $260 sound more reasonable?

DP

* I just made that up.

alvin · 04-20-2012, 01:31 PM

Most Lugers on RIAC sold well today, going near the high estimation (before counting the BP). A few guns even go above high estimation. But today's Lugers sold were 'ordinary' ones, let's watch tomorrow's show. P38s also outperform estimations (still going on...).

John Sabato · 04-20-2012, 05:54 PM

I know of at least one case where a forum member came into possession of a gun as payment of a debt. He knew nothing about Lugers at the time. When he showed it to me years later I pointed out that the primary serial number had been removed and his possession constituted a felony. The rest of the gun was a mixture of parts. My advice was immediate destruction of the frame followed by disposal on the nearest large body of salt water. He gladly spent money to by a stripped frame to be able to keep his favorite.pistol.

sheepherder · 04-20-2012, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

While a P08 frame in good condition for $400.00 might not seem like a good deal to most of us, it would be a different story if one happened to own a DWM upper or, say, an Artillery with a ground stock lug. Regards, Norm

+1

Strongly agree!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

If we use the "Simpson Rule"* we'd multiply the price by 0.66 arrive at a figure that is more humane and in line with what we'd think it should cost.

* I just made that up.

I vote that we make that a Forum Rule...

alvin · 04-20-2012, 10:05 PM

Sometimes, waiting for a good price too long is boring. I waited a FN 1905 parts donor for 5-6 years and could not find one..... blocked by what? $100. Finally, tired. Forget that $100, which not worth years of headache, and bought one "donor". To my surprise, the overall condition that supposed donor is actually slightly better than the beneficiary..... the plan had to be cancelled, result became a "upgrade".

04-19-2012, 11:07 PM	#1
cdmech User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218 Thanks: 87 Thanked 134 Times in 55 Posts	Was this a good deal? Was this a good deal for the buyer? It sold really fast. Marc http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...2d36a46b75c426

04-20-2012, 12:25 AM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,868 Thanked 3,106 Times in 1,429 Posts	I agree with Dwight..Like anything else you might want to build up from parts..it's always more expensive. Better to buy the whole thing in the case of a Luger. Looks like a nice frame but it will always be a parts gun. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-20-2012, 08:42 AM	#7
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	yes it's a good deal, if you happen to be Simpson Ltd __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

04-20-2012, 10:03 AM	#9
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	this is very true, depends on what you might need it for. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

04-20-2012, 05:54 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I know of at least one case where a forum member came into possession of a gun as payment of a debt. He knew nothing about Lugers at the time. When he showed it to me years later I pointed out that the primary serial number had been removed and his possession constituted a felony. The rest of the gun was a mixture of parts. My advice was immediate destruction of the frame followed by disposal on the nearest large body of salt water. He gladly spent money to by a stripped frame to be able to keep his favorite.pistol. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-20-2012, 12:16 AM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	No --Dwight

04-20-2012, 12:25 AM	#4
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,297 Thanks: 7,079 Thanked 2,505 Times in 1,331 Posts	+1 Perhaps if he can get the remaining parts for next to nothing and competently fit them himself, he might wind up with a presentable, but inescapably mismatched, shooter worth maybe a couple hundred more, if it's done right. Now, allow me to place this snowball in a 375 degree oven and check to see if it's still there in the morning... DP

04-20-2012, 05:43 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Agreed. There is always that ONE case where somebody just happens to have enough parts laying around and just need a frame. To that person's mind the gun cost a total of $400.

04-20-2012, 07:23 AM	#6
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I did a survey at home. "For around $400, which one you want ..... 1) a Luger frame in nice shape; 2) a tiny 1/4 oz Krugerrand; 3) a new iPad 2; 4) forget it, I keep greenback. Spouse picks 4). Kid picks 3). I pick 2). No one wants 1).

04-20-2012, 09:08 AM	#8
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,416 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,595 Times in 932 Posts	While a P08 frame in good condition for $400.00 might not seem like a good deal to most of us, it would be a different story if one happened to own a DWM upper or, say, an Artillery with a ground stock lug. Regards, Norm

04-20-2012, 01:31 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Most Lugers on RIAC sold well today, going near the high estimation (before counting the BP). A few guns even go above high estimation. But today's Lugers sold were 'ordinary' ones, let's watch tomorrow's show. P38s also outperform estimations (still going on...).

04-20-2012, 10:05 PM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Sometimes, waiting for a good price too long is boring. I waited a FN 1905 parts donor for 5-6 years and could not find one..... blocked by what? $100. Finally, tired. Forget that $100, which not worth years of headache, and bought one "donor". To my surprise, the overall condition that supposed donor is actually slightly better than the beneficiary..... the plan had to be cancelled, result became a "upgrade".