"Sneak" Luger - Page 2

Mike B · 04-13-2012, 05:51 PM

It's not the same pistol. When I posted the above comments, I did not realize the serial number was readable on Robert's Luger. It is not the same serial as the one I sold.

Mike

tx_oil · 04-18-2012, 07:00 PM

After some research --I'm a noob, and I do not have the reference books*yet*--it looks like the receiver markings are from a Simson rework circa 1930 or so, along with a Waffenamt stamp. Is there any way to determine the manufacturer/date if no such stampings are on the frame? I ask because one of the cough-gurus-cough at the local gun shop said something about markings on the frame of guns made to circumvent Treaty of Versailles restrictions. Is that factual or just more gunstore ninja faux wisdom?

dwr461 · 05-16-2012, 10:59 PM

Nice looking handgun there.

Dave

alanint · 05-17-2012, 09:08 AM

There are no "secret" markings on any Luger frames to circumvent the Versailles treaty, to the best of my knowledge. The German "deception" only went as far as the manufacturing codes, which were merely meant to hide the manufacturing origin of the pistols. Although I can find no specific restriction on the number of Pistols the German Army could posses under the treaty, there were restrictions on who could manufacture pistols within the borders of Germany. The various Mauser codes, etc, were meant to hide the fact that pistol production in Germany had resumed outside of the authorized entities such as Simson Suhl. The Germans realized rather quickly that the league of nations had neither the will nor the stomach to rigidly enforce these provisions of the treaty.

Norme · 05-17-2012, 09:36 AM

There are "secret" date markings but only on the chambers of Lugers made in 1934 "K", 1935 "G", and some 1936 "S". They were used by the Nazis when they resumed full scale arms manufacturing on coming to power in 1933. By 1936 they no longer felt the need for the pretense, and started dating openly. Regards, Norm

04-18-2012, 07:00 PM	#22
tx_oil User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 61 Thanks: 8 Thanked 18 Times in 13 Posts	After some research --I'm a noob, and I do not have the reference booksyet--it looks like the receiver markings are from a Simson rework circa 1930 or so, along with a Waffenamt stamp. Is there any way to determine the manufacturer/date if no such stampings are on the frame? I ask because one of the cough-gurus-cough at the local gun shop said something about markings on the frame of guns made to circumvent Treaty of Versailles restrictions. Is that factual or just more gunstore ninja faux wisdom? __________________ Invest in precious metals: Lead, Brass and Primers

04-13-2012, 05:51 PM	#21
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	It's not the same pistol. When I posted the above comments, I did not realize the serial number was readable on Robert's Luger. It is not the same serial as the one I sold. Mike

05-16-2012, 10:59 PM	#23
dwr461 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Nice looking handgun there. Dave

05-17-2012, 09:08 AM	#24
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	There are no "secret" markings on any Luger frames to circumvent the Versailles treaty, to the best of my knowledge. The German "deception" only went as far as the manufacturing codes, which were merely meant to hide the manufacturing origin of the pistols. Although I can find no specific restriction on the number of Pistols the German Army could posses under the treaty, there were restrictions on who could manufacture pistols within the borders of Germany. The various Mauser codes, etc, were meant to hide the fact that pistol production in Germany had resumed outside of the authorized entities such as Simson Suhl. The Germans realized rather quickly that the league of nations had neither the will nor the stomach to rigidly enforce these provisions of the treaty.

05-17-2012, 09:36 AM	#25
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	There are "secret" date markings but only on the chambers of Lugers made in 1934 "K", 1935 "G", and some 1936 "S". They were used by the Nazis when they resumed full scale arms manufacturing on coming to power in 1933. By 1936 they no longer felt the need for the pretense, and started dating openly. Regards, Norm