22 cal. luger

tandmtigger · 03-05-2012, 10:44 PM

Hi. In Dec.08-Jan.09 I had a thread about a luger converted to a 22 cal. I dont know if you can pull that back up or not it had photos. Without reposting all the new info. i have discovered can someone transfer it from gunbrokers ask the experts forumn for me? I would like opinons on this new info. Thank you for youre time.

ithacaartist · 03-06-2012, 02:23 PM

I'm not sure what you are asking. Pistol transfers, unless one or both parties have FFL or C&R license, involve a dealer with FFL between the seller and buyer, if this info helps. Face to face sales/transfers occur, but there is still paperwork involved for registration, etc.

Jack Lawman · 03-06-2012, 07:57 PM

Your original thread:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=20604

Gunbroker thread:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=553455

tandmtigger · 03-06-2012, 08:02 PM

Hi. Sorry you misunderstood what I was asking. I posted a tread about a 22 cal. nazi marked luger (Mauser) sometime in Dec. 08to Jan. 09 wanted to know if anybody could revive that post as it has excellent photos. I have just recently come across some new info. about this pistol and would like to share it. This new info comes from a book about lugers written by Fred Datig 1965 updated edition. This from his book, (condensed) One of the most interesting and unusual Lugers to br examined at any time is the converted (to 22) pistol shown on pages 275-276 (shows 2 photos 1 together 1 dissembled) Were it not for the odd strp in the barrel it might well be taken for nothing more than a common garden variety but that is where the similarity ends! Starting with a normal 1908/14 military model the receiver was completely cut into two pieces approximately one and one half inches from the front. The face of the (original) bolt was modified as was the extractor, to accomodate the 22 cart., the rather elaborate barrel was added and the original ejector removed.Beyond that, with exception of lining the magazine to accept the smaller cart. and adding a small finlike protrusion to the top of the holdopen device (the new ejector), all coponents remained original and unaltered! Even the recoil spring remains! The extreme tip of the firing pin was changed and a minute cut was made in the coupling link so that the protrusion on the holdopen device would not stop the cross member of that link from riding over the holdopens added appendage. (now I am editing) Functioning of the action is normal under the circumstances. It has been rumored that these conversions ( at least 3 of which are known) were produced in Belgium but there are no markings or other means of corroboration. (editing) Unnoticeable except on close scrutiny is the Colt-type floating chamber, an aluminmum machining insereted into the chamber from the rear (breachblock) end. Despite the origin, this is a highly interesting, unusual and desirablr Luger variation. ( From all about Lugers by Fred A, Datig revised edition 1965. Thank You.

Thor · 03-07-2012, 10:19 AM

If you double click the original thread that Jack Lawman posted, it will open up your original posting complete with the pictures.

tandmtigger · 03-08-2012, 06:01 AM

Thank you Thor.

sheepherder · 03-08-2012, 07:11 AM

Haha! An offset barrel to address the rimfire problem! Clever!

sheepherder · 03-09-2012, 07:40 PM

I pasted two pics together to get a better feeling for the side view...

wlyon · 03-10-2012, 12:46 AM

On 2/2/08 under Commercial lugers I posted pictures of my 1900 AE Which was converted to a 22. Some amazing gunsmithing. It is listed under 1900 AE 22. Bill

sheepherder · 03-10-2012, 06:48 AM

Thanks for adding that, Bill!

Hot link - http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=18722

Interesting/educational/technical photo threads like yours and the OP's here should be done as an 'album'...That would make them come up occasionally in the "Random Album Pictures' at the bottom of the page, and encourage others to seek the album (and associated thread) out...

sheepherder · 03-10-2012, 05:26 PM

John Sabato got involved with Ed's .22 conversion upper, as indicated below...

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

This was a great educational engineering thread... I am starting a new thread that will provide a photo essay of the attempted .22 conversion of a standard Luger upper that was shown by Ed Tinker above...

The new thread subject will be "Modification of a Standard Upper to .22"

The thread will be located under the Post WW-II Lugers Discussion Forum.

Here's the link to the two-page thread...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=18858

Unfortunately, John posted his first sets of pics to Rennlist...and they are gone...

Example -

http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralb...2370.sized.jpg

Let this be a lesson to all who post off-LugerForum...

TheRomanhistorian · 03-10-2012, 11:45 PM

Was there any more with John Sabato's project? These threads have gotten me quite interested given the discussion that David and I had about the Ermas and the Erma .22 conversion. Tandmtigger's pistol is interesting, the positioning of the barrel and all. This has been an illuminating thread!

sheepherder · 03-11-2012, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRomanhistorian

Tandmtigger's pistol is interesting, the positioning of the barrel and all.

Yes, it has started me thinking (a worrisome process)...I have to wonder if the front sight & base are actually high enough...

I also got thinking about how to turn a barrel blank to keep the offset to the threaded breech but mimic the curved taper to the barrel...Rather than the abrupt 'step' shown in the pics...

PM sent to J Sabato...Maybe we can wake John up...

03-05-2012, 10:44 PM	#1
tandmtigger User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	22 cal. luger Hi. In Dec.08-Jan.09 I had a thread about a luger converted to a 22 cal. I dont know if you can pull that back up or not it had photos. Without reposting all the new info. i have discovered can someone transfer it from gunbrokers ask the experts forumn for me? I would like opinons on this new info. Thank you for youre time.

03-06-2012, 07:57 PM	#3
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03-07-2012, 10:19 AM	#5
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03-08-2012, 07:11 AM	#7
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Haha! An offset barrel to address the rimfire problem! Clever! __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-09-2012, 07:40 PM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	I pasted two pics together to get a better feeling for the side view... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-06-2012, 02:23 PM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,292 Thanks: 7,059 Thanked 2,484 Times in 1,325 Posts	I'm not sure what you are asking. Pistol transfers, unless one or both parties have FFL or C&R license, involve a dealer with FFL between the seller and buyer, if this info helps. Face to face sales/transfers occur, but there is still paperwork involved for registration, etc.

03-06-2012, 08:02 PM	#4
tandmtigger User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi. Sorry you misunderstood what I was asking. I posted a tread about a 22 cal. nazi marked luger (Mauser) sometime in Dec. 08to Jan. 09 wanted to know if anybody could revive that post as it has excellent photos. I have just recently come across some new info. about this pistol and would like to share it. This new info comes from a book about lugers written by Fred Datig 1965 updated edition. This from his book, (condensed) One of the most interesting and unusual Lugers to br examined at any time is the converted (to 22) pistol shown on pages 275-276 (shows 2 photos 1 together 1 dissembled) Were it not for the odd strp in the barrel it might well be taken for nothing more than a common garden variety but that is where the similarity ends! Starting with a normal 1908/14 military model the receiver was completely cut into two pieces approximately one and one half inches from the front. The face of the (original) bolt was modified as was the extractor, to accomodate the 22 cart., the rather elaborate barrel was added and the original ejector removed.Beyond that, with exception of lining the magazine to accept the smaller cart. and adding a small finlike protrusion to the top of the holdopen device (the new ejector), all coponents remained original and unaltered! Even the recoil spring remains! The extreme tip of the firing pin was changed and a minute cut was made in the coupling link so that the protrusion on the holdopen device would not stop the cross member of that link from riding over the holdopens added appendage. (now I am editing) Functioning of the action is normal under the circumstances. It has been rumored that these conversions ( at least 3 of which are known) were produced in Belgium but there are no markings or other means of corroboration. (editing) Unnoticeable except on close scrutiny is the Colt-type floating chamber, an aluminmum machining insereted into the chamber from the rear (breachblock) end. Despite the origin, this is a highly interesting, unusual and desirablr Luger variation. ( From all about Lugers by Fred A, Datig revised edition 1965. Thank You.

03-08-2012, 06:01 AM	#6
tandmtigger User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Thor.

03-10-2012, 12:46 AM	#9
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,145 Thanked 2,531 Times in 943 Posts	On 2/2/08 under Commercial lugers I posted pictures of my 1900 AE Which was converted to a 22. Some amazing gunsmithing. It is listed under 1900 AE 22. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

03-10-2012, 06:48 AM	#10
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Thanks for adding that, Bill! Hot link - http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=18722 Interesting/educational/technical photo threads like yours and the OP's here should be done as an 'album'...That would make them come up occasionally in the "Random Album Pictures' at the bottom of the page, and encourage others to seek the album (and associated thread) out... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-10-2012, 11:45 PM	#12
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Was there any more with John Sabato's project? These threads have gotten me quite interested given the discussion that David and I had about the Ermas and the Erma .22 conversion. Tandmtigger's pistol is interesting, the positioning of the barrel and all. This has been an illuminating thread! __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers