Looking for 1905 45 ACP Luger blueprints

Ron Wood · 02-14-2012, 03:34 PM

Eugene,
I still have it. I am a bit reluctant to ship around a $15,000 item, and would not do so without Mike's permission. He has proprietary interest in the design. You might contact him directly to get his feelings about sharing. His website is http://www.krausewerk.com/
Ron

LugerMan.com · 02-14-2012, 03:39 PM

Thanks for the tip and for the link.

Just got of the phone with Mike.
He told me he is at the end of the production of his Luger 45s he is done about 50.

He also is willing to sell me blue prints for only 2.5 K.
Witch sounds very reasonable to me.

I visit San Francisco every 2 years and i may visit his shop,
he actually offered some over run parts he may have for the 45.

So, may be i will have my dream after all.

I was going to make some 45 navy guns as well as carbines.

Just need to scope out the market for it ...

sheepherder · 02-14-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

He also is willing to sell me blue prints for only 2.5 K.
Witch sounds very reasonable to me.

$2500???

(Where's my defibrillator..."I'se comin', Weasy"...)

LugerMan.com · 02-14-2012, 04:17 PM

Well,
I got two options
buy a 20K gun and reverse it myself
or by blue prints for 2.5K and save some time.

If anyone has a cheaper way of selling me blue prints, they can have first dips on the 45 Lugers I will make ;0)

Patronen · 02-14-2012, 08:37 PM

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LugerMan.com · 02-14-2012, 10:19 PM

Thanks for input everyone,
let me address all the points that where listed:

1. Price points:
Standard 1905 45 ACP will be around $12k-13k
Navy Model 1905 45 ACP will be around $13k-14k
Artillery Model 1905 in 45 ACP will be $14k-15k
Carbine 1905 45 ACP will be $17k-18k

Multiple orders will get 5% discount
FFL orders will get 10% discount

2. Timing: I do have a machinist working for me now. He is helping me out when i need some small parts made, that can not be found. Artillery barrels is one of them. He is just not a full time with me now. But that can change if i find more for him to do. I do have a shop with industrial tooling. So making parts is not a problem.
I am an engineer by trade , so i can estimate production cost and time. I am thinking that withing a year time i will have all parts that a re needed made.
Then it will take about a 2-3 weeks for the first gun to show up.
And the last will show up withing a 1 year . So i take it full production cycle for 20 guns is 2 years with one man working full time on it.. I hire a second machinist for a second shift on the mill, i can cut production by 30% or so.

I know almost everything there is to know about luger functioning, so I am sure i can make then work reliably. Or at least as good as original was working. ;0)

If you been on my site and have seen or purchased carbines from me, you know that metal work is done right.

I made some small parts for 1900 Model including triggers and extractors.

My plan is to do the same as Mike K did, and first production gun will go to Guns and Ammo for a show and tell.

My press , or bed press anyways ... is all about time lines.
Find someone complaining about quality and then we will talk.

There will be a legal notarized contract, that will secure down payment funds and timeline.

I just need small amount of people willing to invest there money in to a a dream.

And I will get my machinist busy full time.
I an even report on the progress made.

And yes the frame is the hardest, and i will start with that, because if that is done the rest is not a problem.

I think it will take 4 month to produce 20 frames , so all of initial investors will know when the frames are done.

3. As far as Cone hummers and other guns, it's interesting that it came up so quickly. As I was thinking exactly same way. Every one reproduces revolvers , but no one goes for auto reproductions. I'd take on Mannlichers , Cone and other turn of the century guns.

But i think Luger 45 ACP is so iconic , that it's the only gun that people will pay 15k and up for .

All and all i see support as well as some natural skepticism. I hope love for collector guns will overcome the fear.

Because as crazy as i am , i will not be able to do this in a vacuum.

By the number of responses in one day, I take it it' s a hot topic.

Thanks.

02-14-2012, 03:34 PM	#1
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,256 Times in 1,724 Posts	Eugene, I still have it. I am a bit reluctant to ship around a $15,000 item, and would not do so without Mike's permission. He has proprietary interest in the design. You might contact him directly to get his feelings about sharing. His website is http://www.krausewerk.com/ Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-14-2012, 03:39 PM	#2
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 364 Times in 116 Posts	Talking to Mike Thanks for the tip and for the link. Just got of the phone with Mike. He told me he is at the end of the production of his Luger 45s he is done about 50. He also is willing to sell me blue prints for only 2.5 K. Witch sounds very reasonable to me. I visit San Francisco every 2 years and i may visit his shop, he actually offered some over run parts he may have for the 45. So, may be i will have my dream after all. I was going to make some 45 navy guns as well as carbines. Just need to scope out the market for it ...

02-14-2012, 04:17 PM	#4
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 364 Times in 116 Posts	Try finding a set Well, I got two options buy a 20K gun and reverse it myself or by blue prints for 2.5K and save some time. If anyone has a cheaper way of selling me blue prints, they can have first dips on the 45 Lugers I will make ;0)

02-14-2012, 10:19 PM	#6
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 364 Times in 116 Posts	Thanks for the input Thanks for input everyone, let me address all the points that where listed: 1. Price points: Standard 1905 45 ACP will be around $12k-13k Navy Model 1905 45 ACP will be around $13k-14k Artillery Model 1905 in 45 ACP will be $14k-15k Carbine 1905 45 ACP will be $17k-18k Multiple orders will get 5% discount FFL orders will get 10% discount 2. Timing: I do have a machinist working for me now. He is helping me out when i need some small parts made, that can not be found. Artillery barrels is one of them. He is just not a full time with me now. But that can change if i find more for him to do. I do have a shop with industrial tooling. So making parts is not a problem. I am an engineer by trade , so i can estimate production cost and time. I am thinking that withing a year time i will have all parts that a re needed made. Then it will take about a 2-3 weeks for the first gun to show up. And the last will show up withing a 1 year . So i take it full production cycle for 20 guns is 2 years with one man working full time on it.. I hire a second machinist for a second shift on the mill, i can cut production by 30% or so. I know almost everything there is to know about luger functioning, so I am sure i can make then work reliably. Or at least as good as original was working. ;0) If you been on my site and have seen or purchased carbines from me, you know that metal work is done right. I made some small parts for 1900 Model including triggers and extractors. My plan is to do the same as Mike K did, and first production gun will go to Guns and Ammo for a show and tell. My press , or bed press anyways ... is all about time lines. Find someone complaining about quality and then we will talk. There will be a legal notarized contract, that will secure down payment funds and timeline. I just need small amount of people willing to invest there money in to a a dream. And I will get my machinist busy full time. I an even report on the progress made. And yes the frame is the hardest, and i will start with that, because if that is done the rest is not a problem. I think it will take 4 month to produce 20 frames , so all of initial investors will know when the frames are done. 3. As far as Cone hummers and other guns, it's interesting that it came up so quickly. As I was thinking exactly same way. Every one reproduces revolvers , but no one goes for auto reproductions. I'd take on Mannlichers , Cone and other turn of the century guns. But i think Luger 45 ACP is so iconic , that it's the only gun that people will pay 15k and up for . All and all i see support as well as some natural skepticism. I hope love for collector guns will overcome the fear. Because as crazy as i am , i will not be able to do this in a vacuum. By the number of responses in one day, I take it it' s a hot topic. Thanks.

02-14-2012, 08:37 PM	#5
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