Firing a c 96 mauser 7.65

padredan · 02-09-2012, 10:38 PM

this is a 1930 mauser c 96 in being fired and shown with the matching stock holster. I do know the history and a bit about it, a world war two bring back, given to me by my uncle, member of the 101 st abn div, was aquired in belguim jan 1945, near the town of bastone, belguim, still shoots and functions well, pistol and stock have matching numbers.

Curly1 · 02-09-2012, 11:47 PM

Another nice one.

padredan · 02-10-2012, 12:08 AM

thanks i did do a bit of cleaning on it. the safety was broken only took six years to find the correct one. the leather harnes on the shoilder stock had rotted to nothing, but the rest has cleaned up rather well i think.

sheepherder · 02-10-2012, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padredan

...the safety was broken only took six years to find the correct one...

Six years to find an M30 safety??? I bet Alvin has one in the glovebox of his car...

alvin · 02-10-2012, 07:20 AM

Mauser's manual claimed factory tested one 1930 by fast firing 2200 rounds without cleaning, no issues. Another gun fired 11000 rounds without loss of accuracy or obvious wear.

I have not fired that many rounds in range. But I tried a few small ring hammer C96s in range, including prewar commercial, red 9, and 1930. All of them worked fine. Surprisingly, a 1930 and a 1914 commercial were even more reliable than my 1967 Interarms P1.

I keep suggesting people acquiring one of those nice small ring hammer for shooting fun. It's not fragile at all.

alanint · 02-10-2012, 07:43 AM

Dan,

For $50 you can get a reasonable holster replica to keep that stock in..

http://www.atlantacutlery.com/p-1980...aning-rod.aspx

padredan · 02-10-2012, 09:53 AM

i have looked at a few of the replicas on ebay, but i keep finding a few orginals around gun shows, a bit pricey, but one day i may find the right one at a good price. has anyone fired any 7.62 x .25 rounds in a .30 mauser c96, i have heard it ok to do it, and fairly accurate and the surplus ammo is alot cheaper.

saab-bob · 02-10-2012, 11:17 AM

Dan
Love your Mauser rig!
Lots of great family history.
If you are going to continue to shoot it,a couple of suggestions. Contact Wolff gunsprings at http://www.gunsprings.com and order a set of new springs. In my experience the recoil spring gets weak just thru age.You want a good strong recoil spring so the bolt stop does not get damaged.

My personal experience with that surplus Tokaerv ammo is not good in these guns.It is loaded to hot and usually has corrosive Berdan primers. I stay away from that stuff!
Bob

padredan · 02-10-2012, 11:53 AM

thanks bob, i will check on the springs, took a few more pics of it, the before and after. one of the local so called broomhandel exsperts around here offered me 600.00 for it since it cleaned up so nice and had a matching stock with it. i declined. can any one tell mea bit more about uncs c96, i know it's a mauser c96 about 1930, thanks

alanint · 02-10-2012, 02:33 PM

Dan,

Just an FYI, but unless your stock is numbered on the attaching iron, it really isn't an original, factory matched stock. The Germans may have numbered the wood later on, but to an advanced collector, this would not be a truly matched rig.
Is your stock iron numbers matched to the pistol?
Not a huge deal, since it is priceless to you, but just thought I'd put that out there.

alvin · 02-10-2012, 08:46 PM

This stock is not Mauser made stock. It's a replacement. The gun was refinished.

But if it shoots well in range..... I think I wouldn't sell any working-perfect Mauser Broomhandle under $1000 (even if it's refinished). Most of those "shooters" asking a few hundred dollars on the market do not work well, buyer has to spend money trying to fix various kinds of issues. The "shooter" name is misleading if it does not work. A reliable and accurate C96 is a gem which brings in lots of fun. Sell it under $1k? No way.

padredan · 02-10-2012, 09:25 PM

yes , i cleaned and refurbed the pistol after it was given it me, the stock had other markings on it, i may have removed them, there is a 2, left.besides the serial number unc was too ill to tell me much about it by the time he passed it to me, It shoots well and now looks good and will never be for sale in my lifetime. the so call c96 expert every offer he ever made to me was usauly half of the value, consider him to be a joke for the most part. We all know experts just like him. everyone considers him a lowballer, but it is fun to hear the wrong information he gives out. as far as the c96 goes it is really fun to shoot, it is a long way from being retired.

sheepherder · 02-10-2012, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padredan

...has anyone fired any 7.62 x .25 rounds in a .30 mauser c96, i have heard it ok to do it...

Top is my infamous 'Red 5' C96; bottom is a C96 which has been abused with 7.62 Tokarev ammunition...

Does that look OK to you???

I don't know who you heard that from, but you have found a good source of information...to ignore...

saab-bob · 02-10-2012, 10:00 PM

Dan
Glad to hear you are going to keep your Mauser C96 model 1930.
Another couple of quick caveats. Examine the bolt stop carefully .Look for cracks or deformities.
That part takes a beating when the gun is fired. If it fails the bolt flies out the back of the gun at high speed.Not pleasant.
Also check that the little spring on the tip of the firing pin is secured to the pin upon reassembly.
If the spring is not secured to the firing pin,it can become entangled with the recoil spring. This causes the firing pin to not retract between shots. Which in turn causes a slam fire and the gun goes full auto!
Enjoy shooting it and pass it to the next generation!
Bob

padredan · 02-10-2012, 10:14 PM

thanks to both of you big time. that info about the ammo came from the same expert who low balls everyone on price. I highly doubt he has ever fired anything he owns

MikeP · 02-10-2012, 11:57 PM

That Tok ammo will beat that old gun to death.
I have seen several with the metal distortion pictured and cracks there as well.
I own one I wont fire as it shows damage.
They may be extracting the bolt from your forehead one day.

padredan · 02-11-2012, 01:22 PM

roger that. thats why i asked if it was ok to use it. I have become quite fond of the old c96 but i doubt i have fired 50 rounds thru it since i have had it. i have only had forty round os ammo for it and i still have some left. thanks again for the advise

Vlim · 02-11-2012, 02:23 PM

There is Tokarev ammunition, and then there is Tokarev ammunition

The original stuff was close to the C96 loads, but later versions were beefed up for submachiegun use. Same thing happened with the 9x19 that was loaded for the Sten gun, etc..

In the 1970s Interarms sold repackaged Russian 7,62 Tok of the milder variation as ammunition specifically for the C96. I shot a few of those boxes without ill effects. Only problem was the corrosive primer, so a good barrel scrubbing was needed after each session.

So, not all Tok is bad, but not all Tok is good either. Which makes it wise to avoid using it in a C96 unless the package is sealed and clearly marked for C96 use.

Hope this makes sense

alvin · 02-11-2012, 03:41 PM

In the past, people tried 7,62x25 Tokarev on Mauser because it's not easy to find correct .30 Mauser ammo. Not the situation nowadays. PPU .30 Mauser cartridge is available in many gun stores. PPU is actually weaker than DWM 403 and it's safe to use.

Another reason to use surplus Tokarev ammo was the price.... Serbian made PPU is not very cheap ($19.95 for 50 rounds?), but not as expensive as .30 Luger.

padredan · 02-11-2012, 07:03 PM

thanks to both of you for that information, i am allways looking for .30 mauser at gun shows. i fired the c 96 today but i was having extraction problems and only fired a few rounds.

02-09-2012, 10:38 PM	#1
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	Firing a c 96 mauser 7.65 this is a 1930 mauser c 96 in being fired and shown with the matching stock holster. I do know the history and a bit about it, a world war two bring back, given to me by my uncle, member of the 101 st abn div, was aquired in belguim jan 1945, near the town of bastone, belguim, still shoots and functions well, pistol and stock have matching numbers. Attached Thumbnails

02-09-2012, 11:47 PM	#2
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Another nice one. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

02-10-2012, 09:53 AM	#7
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	i have looked at a few of the replicas on ebay, but i keep finding a few orginals around gun shows, a bit pricey, but one day i may find the right one at a good price. has anyone fired any 7.62 x .25 rounds in a .30 mauser c96, i have heard it ok to do it, and fairly accurate and the surplus ammo is alot cheaper. Last edited by padredan; 02-10-2012 at 11:39 AM.

02-10-2012, 11:17 AM	#8
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Dan Love your Mauser rig! Lots of great family history. If you are going to continue to shoot it,a couple of suggestions. Contact Wolff gunsprings at http://www.gunsprings.com and order a set of new springs. In my experience the recoil spring gets weak just thru age.You want a good strong recoil spring so the bolt stop does not get damaged. My personal experience with that surplus Tokaerv ammo is not good in these guns.It is loaded to hot and usually has corrosive Berdan primers. I stay away from that stuff! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

02-10-2012, 11:53 AM	#9
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	thanks bob, i will check on the springs, took a few more pics of it, the before and after. one of the local so called broomhandel exsperts around here offered me 600.00 for it since it cleaned up so nice and had a matching stock with it. i declined. can any one tell mea bit more about uncs c96, i know it's a mauser c96 about 1930, thanks Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2012, 12:08 AM	#3
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	thanks i did do a bit of cleaning on it. the safety was broken only took six years to find the correct one. the leather harnes on the shoilder stock had rotted to nothing, but the rest has cleaned up rather well i think.

02-10-2012, 07:20 AM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Mauser's manual claimed factory tested one 1930 by fast firing 2200 rounds without cleaning, no issues. Another gun fired 11000 rounds without loss of accuracy or obvious wear. I have not fired that many rounds in range. But I tried a few small ring hammer C96s in range, including prewar commercial, red 9, and 1930. All of them worked fine. Surprisingly, a 1930 and a 1914 commercial were even more reliable than my 1967 Interarms P1. I keep suggesting people acquiring one of those nice small ring hammer for shooting fun. It's not fragile at all.

02-10-2012, 07:43 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Dan, For $50 you can get a reasonable holster replica to keep that stock in.. http://www.atlantacutlery.com/p-1980...aning-rod.aspx

02-10-2012, 02:33 PM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Dan, Just an FYI, but unless your stock is numbered on the attaching iron, it really isn't an original, factory matched stock. The Germans may have numbered the wood later on, but to an advanced collector, this would not be a truly matched rig. Is your stock iron numbers matched to the pistol? Not a huge deal, since it is priceless to you, but just thought I'd put that out there.

02-10-2012, 08:46 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	This stock is not Mauser made stock. It's a replacement. The gun was refinished. But if it shoots well in range..... I think I wouldn't sell any working-perfect Mauser Broomhandle under $1000 (even if it's refinished). Most of those "shooters" asking a few hundred dollars on the market do not work well, buyer has to spend money trying to fix various kinds of issues. The "shooter" name is misleading if it does not work. A reliable and accurate C96 is a gem which brings in lots of fun. Sell it under $1k? No way.

02-10-2012, 09:25 PM	#12
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	yes , i cleaned and refurbed the pistol after it was given it me, the stock had other markings on it, i may have removed them, there is a 2, left.besides the serial number unc was too ill to tell me much about it by the time he passed it to me, It shoots well and now looks good and will never be for sale in my lifetime. the so call c96 expert every offer he ever made to me was usauly half of the value, consider him to be a joke for the most part. We all know experts just like him. everyone considers him a lowballer, but it is fun to hear the wrong information he gives out. as far as the c96 goes it is really fun to shoot, it is a long way from being retired.

02-10-2012, 10:00 PM	#14
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Dan Glad to hear you are going to keep your Mauser C96 model 1930. Another couple of quick caveats. Examine the bolt stop carefully .Look for cracks or deformities. That part takes a beating when the gun is fired. If it fails the bolt flies out the back of the gun at high speed.Not pleasant. Also check that the little spring on the tip of the firing pin is secured to the pin upon reassembly. If the spring is not secured to the firing pin,it can become entangled with the recoil spring. This causes the firing pin to not retract between shots. Which in turn causes a slam fire and the gun goes full auto! Enjoy shooting it and pass it to the next generation! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

02-10-2012, 10:14 PM	#15
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	thanks to both of you big time. that info about the ammo came from the same expert who low balls everyone on price. I highly doubt he has ever fired anything he owns

02-10-2012, 11:57 PM	#16
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	That Tok ammo will beat that old gun to death. I have seen several with the metal distortion pictured and cracks there as well. I own one I wont fire as it shows damage. They may be extracting the bolt from your forehead one day.

02-11-2012, 01:22 PM	#17
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	roger that. thats why i asked if it was ok to use it. I have become quite fond of the old c96 but i doubt i have fired 50 rounds thru it since i have had it. i have only had forty round os ammo for it and i still have some left. thanks again for the advise

02-11-2012, 02:23 PM	#18
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	There is Tokarev ammunition, and then there is Tokarev ammunition The original stuff was close to the C96 loads, but later versions were beefed up for submachiegun use. Same thing happened with the 9x19 that was loaded for the Sten gun, etc.. In the 1970s Interarms sold repackaged Russian 7,62 Tok of the milder variation as ammunition specifically for the C96. I shot a few of those boxes without ill effects. Only problem was the corrosive primer, so a good barrel scrubbing was needed after each session. So, not all Tok is bad, but not all Tok is good either. Which makes it wise to avoid using it in a C96 unless the package is sealed and clearly marked for C96 use. Hope this makes sense Attached Thumbnails

02-11-2012, 03:41 PM	#19
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	In the past, people tried 7,62x25 Tokarev on Mauser because it's not easy to find correct .30 Mauser ammo. Not the situation nowadays. PPU .30 Mauser cartridge is available in many gun stores. PPU is actually weaker than DWM 403 and it's safe to use. Another reason to use surplus Tokarev ammo was the price.... Serbian made PPU is not very cheap ($19.95 for 50 rounds?), but not as expensive as .30 Luger.

02-11-2012, 07:03 PM	#20
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	thanks to both of you for that information, i am allways looking for .30 mauser at gun shows. i fired the c 96 today but i was having extraction problems and only fired a few rounds.