"Star War Conehammer"

alvin · 02-03-2012, 09:46 PM

A conehammer with finned barrel is listed on

http://www.collectorfirearms.org

"Handguns M-Z" section.

This is the 2nd time I saw a finned barrel Mauser. The other one was pictured by Chinese police. That one was a Schnellfeuer-like pistol in poor shape (like others C96s pictured).

So finned barrel is not totally out of scope.

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But this one was refurbished, and looks like having a welded on barrel. That Schnell I mentioned earlier, no idea. The picture was not clear enough. Remain a myth.

var99 · 02-03-2012, 11:21 PM

Hi Alvin,
Personally, I have always thought that the myth had its origins in confusion with the Spanish Super Azul copies, which did have finned barrels and they were selective full auto, so may been what you saw in the China photo? ("System Mauser" page 218)
rgds
Vince

Angus Magnus · 02-04-2012, 12:18 AM

This does resemble a Beistegui Hnos. "Royal" MM34 at first glance, but something is not quite right. I would agree with it being a welded-on barrel.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9307/foto1jaz.jpg

Douglas Jr. · 02-06-2012, 07:09 AM

Very strange indeed.
My first thought was a MM34 barrel installed on a CH. However, looking at my Royal MM34, shown by Angus, it is clear that its barrel is much more thick than the one on gun for sale. In addition, the Royal barrel has 30 rings while the other one has 29.

Douglas.

Angus Magnus · 02-06-2012, 09:50 AM

Douglas, I am extremely jealous...

Are you in Brasil?
I'm curious how much one of those runs, never seen one for sale.

Douglas Jr. · 02-06-2012, 01:42 PM

Angus,

Yes, I'm in Brazil. Because of our very strange laws concerning firearms, I guess our market is not a good parameter. This one came in for an unbelievable low price, the the former owner was leaving the hobby.

The MM34 is a fully automatic weapon and this one is a live gun. Civilians are allowed to own a full auto if it was made before 1945 and if you have a permission (a Collector License) of the Brazilian Army. On the other hand, mind you that we are not allowed to carry anything bigger than a .380ACP auto for selfdefense on a day-by-day situation.

My research about the MM34 still runs. As far as I know there are even some doubts who made them, but it is sure that only a few hundred were assembled. For further info and pictures, check this old topic:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...highlight=MM34

Douglas.

alvin · 02-06-2012, 09:25 PM

Agree. It's hard to make sense out of Hollywood.

Ironically, it's Hollywood making C96 a well-known weapon in America (although some people still believe it's a "Luger" in range

)

Angus Magnus · 02-06-2012, 10:29 PM

Douglas, I enjoyed your summary in the other thread. I'm a big fan of broomhandles and did spend some considerable time searching for more information on the MM34 (and hopefully how to get my hands on one) but there is very little information out there.

Sorry to deviate the topic, but I have to ask a few questions...
Have you come across others in Brasil?
Do you have a close-up photo of the stock latch/release button?
Also, if you don't mind my curiosity, what was the "unbelievably low price"?

Douglas Jr. · 02-07-2012, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angus Magnus

Sorry to deviate the topic, but I have to ask a few questions...
Have you come across others in Brasil?
Do you have a close-up photo of the stock latch/release button?
Also, if you don't mind my curiosity, what was the "unbelievably low price"?

Angus,

No problem at all (just hope Alvin doesn't mind)!

I'm aware of at least three others MM34 in Brazil, - one of them I had the opportunity to handle a few years ago. Unfortunately that one had been buffed and reblued and hadn't any magazine or stock. It is known that these guns came to Brazil to be used by law enforcement agencies of several States.

Documents has yet to surface to know how many. My personal opinion was that these guns were bought as a sole batch while Beistegui Hermanos was trying to get rid of their stocked pistols for a much lower value than the Schnellfeuer (also bought in numbers down here).

The stock has the same attachment system copied from the standard C96 stock (yes, I tried). Unfortunately the iron latch on my pistol is broken and I'm planning to buy a reposition. I can take a picture of that for you on the weekend, if you want. As you are probaly aware, the Royal stock is longer to accomodate the barrel.

The stock is not in the best condition. It was found and bought by the previous owner from a completely different source - a thousand miles away from where the pistol was found. But again, given the rarity of these accessory, he bought it anyway.

Oh, and the price was around US$ 1,000.00 - a steal in my opinion. But, as I said the guy was leaving the hobby and really didn't need the money. But then I already knew that it worthed much more.

Feel free to ask any further question.

All the best,

Douglas.

alvin · 02-07-2012, 07:04 PM

Doug, any semi-auto Royal available in Brazil gun market? thanks

Douglas Jr. · 02-07-2012, 07:20 PM

Alvin

There is none that I'm aware.
The last Spanish copy that I knew was being offered was a Astra 900 with German markings.
And before that, in 2010, a Royal MM31 - but that one was fully auto.

I'll let you know if something new comes to light.

Doug

alvin · 02-07-2012, 08:31 PM

Thanks!

Also interested in a few others. I will steal a photo as a check list... those ones pointed by red arrows.

Douglas Jr. · 02-08-2012, 06:08 AM

Ok, the early ones: Cone Hammers and Large Ring Hammers (and their Bolo variants).
I'll let you know if any of them surfaces.
Douglas

the gunman · 02-08-2012, 11:51 AM

Gentleman have a semi -auto Royal Mint condtion. But have no idea how to price it. Any one interested use my e mail R.shavel@att.net

alvin · 02-08-2012, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the gunman

Gentleman have a semi -auto Royal Mint condtion. But have no idea how to price it. Any one interested use my e mail R.shavel@att.net

Email sent. Please reserve the gun for me!! I have been looking for it. Thanks!

the gunman · 02-08-2012, 05:46 PM

Gentleman this no longer aviailable

Ron Wood · 02-08-2012, 07:26 PM

Hopped on that one like a duck on a June bug! Congratulations to seller and buyer. For us fans in the stands, is there any chance of a few photos of the Royal? Thanks in advance.
Ron

alvin · 02-08-2012, 07:46 PM

Ron, I will pick it up tomorrow and pictures will be posted.

nukem556 · 02-08-2012, 07:46 PM

Wow, Ron..I thought only folks in Tennessee and North Carolina used that saying!

the gunman · 02-08-2012, 07:49 PM

Photos of the royal

02-03-2012, 09:46 PM	#1
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	"Star War Conehammer" A conehammer with finned barrel is listed on http://www.collectorfirearms.org "Handguns M-Z" section. This is the 2nd time I saw a finned barrel Mauser. The other one was pictured by Chinese police. That one was a Schnellfeuer-like pistol in poor shape (like others C96s pictured). So finned barrel is not totally out of scope. === But this one was refurbished, and looks like having a welded on barrel. That Schnell I mentioned earlier, no idea. The picture was not clear enough. Remain a myth.

02-06-2012, 07:09 AM	#4
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Very strange indeed. My first thought was a MM34 barrel installed on a CH. However, looking at my Royal MM34, shown by Angus, it is clear that its barrel is much more thick than the one on gun for sale. In addition, the Royal barrel has 30 rings while the other one has 29. Douglas. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

02-07-2012, 08:31 PM	#12
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Thanks! Also interested in a few others. I will steal a photo as a check list... those ones pointed by red arrows. Attached Thumbnails

02-08-2012, 11:51 AM	#14
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Royal Gentleman have a semi -auto Royal Mint condtion. But have no idea how to price it. Any one interested use my e mail R.shavel@att.net Last edited by the gunman; 02-08-2012 at 11:52 AM. Reason: mistake

02-08-2012, 05:46 PM	#16
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Royal Gentleman this no longer aviailable

02-03-2012, 11:21 PM	#2
var99 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: FL Posts: 114 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Alvin, Personally, I have always thought that the myth had its origins in confusion with the Spanish Super Azul copies, which did have finned barrels and they were selective full auto, so may been what you saw in the China photo? ("System Mauser" page 218) rgds Vince

02-04-2012, 12:18 AM	#3
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	This does resemble a Beistegui Hnos. "Royal" MM34 at first glance, but something is not quite right. I would agree with it being a welded-on barrel. http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9307/foto1jaz.jpg

02-06-2012, 09:50 AM	#5
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Douglas, I am extremely jealous... Are you in Brasil? I'm curious how much one of those runs, never seen one for sale.

02-06-2012, 01:42 PM	#6
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Angus, Yes, I'm in Brazil. Because of our very strange laws concerning firearms, I guess our market is not a good parameter. This one came in for an unbelievable low price, the the former owner was leaving the hobby. The MM34 is a fully automatic weapon and this one is a live gun. Civilians are allowed to own a full auto if it was made before 1945 and if you have a permission (a Collector License) of the Brazilian Army. On the other hand, mind you that we are not allowed to carry anything bigger than a .380ACP auto for selfdefense on a day-by-day situation. My research about the MM34 still runs. As far as I know there are even some doubts who made them, but it is sure that only a few hundred were assembled. For further info and pictures, check this old topic: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...highlight=MM34 Douglas.

02-06-2012, 09:25 PM	#7
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Agree. It's hard to make sense out of Hollywood. Ironically, it's Hollywood making C96 a well-known weapon in America (although some people still believe it's a "Luger" in range )

02-06-2012, 10:29 PM	#8
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Douglas, I enjoyed your summary in the other thread. I'm a big fan of broomhandles and did spend some considerable time searching for more information on the MM34 (and hopefully how to get my hands on one) but there is very little information out there. Sorry to deviate the topic, but I have to ask a few questions... Have you come across others in Brasil? Do you have a close-up photo of the stock latch/release button? Also, if you don't mind my curiosity, what was the "unbelievably low price"?

02-07-2012, 07:04 PM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Doug, any semi-auto Royal available in Brazil gun market? thanks

02-07-2012, 07:20 PM	#11
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Alvin There is none that I'm aware. The last Spanish copy that I knew was being offered was a Astra 900 with German markings. And before that, in 2010, a Royal MM31 - but that one was fully auto. I'll let you know if something new comes to light. Doug

02-08-2012, 06:08 AM	#13
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Ok, the early ones: Cone Hammers and Large Ring Hammers (and their Bolo variants). I'll let you know if any of them surfaces. Douglas

02-08-2012, 07:26 PM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Hopped on that one like a duck on a June bug! Congratulations to seller and buyer. For us fans in the stands, is there any chance of a few photos of the Royal? Thanks in advance. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-08-2012, 07:46 PM	#18
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Ron, I will pick it up tomorrow and pictures will be posted.

02-08-2012, 07:46 PM	#19
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Wow, Ron..I thought only folks in Tennessee and North Carolina used that saying!

02-08-2012, 07:49 PM	#20
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Royal Photos of the royal Attached Thumbnails