Identifying this Luger

lambermk · 07-20-2011, 02:55 PM

My mother has asked me to help her in identifying this Luger. You will have to excuse my ignorance for I do not know if it is military or commercial. I have tried to look for it on here and the only discussion I have found on a model 1913 is that it was fake. If I could please get some help in identifying it I would greatly appreciate it. Also she wanted to know the value of it as well. For it maybe for sell.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-20-2011, 03:00 PM

Matthew..You have a pistol made in 1913 for the military. It was later issued to the Police and a sear safety added. Looks to be in good shape. Are there any number or letters on the grip straps?

lambermk · 07-20-2011, 03:11 PM

Do I need to remove the grips to find out sir? If not then no sir. There are no numbers of any kind on the grips.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-20-2011, 03:16 PM

Matthew..No I was talking about the metal strips between the wooden handles. They were sometimes unit marked on these strips. It would be quite evident if they were.

lambermk · 07-20-2011, 03:24 PM

Excuse my ignorance, no sir there are none. Is this Luger common or rare. Since it was so hard in finding one on this site. I will continue to look, now that I know what I am looking for. Also I understand it maybe difficult without actually handling the weapon but is there any way you could give us a ballpark on its value?

Norme · 07-20-2011, 03:46 PM

Hi Matthew, Welcome to the forum! As Jerry has said, you have a very nice military Luger that was modified for Police use after WW1. 1913 DWM's like yours are not common, but it would be more interesting to collectors were it unit marked. Putting a value on a gun like this is a little tricky, I think you could get $1,200.00 for it, and a dealer would probably ask close to $2,000.00. I hope this helps. Regards, Norm

lambermk · 07-20-2011, 04:43 PM

Thanks alot Norm. Would the unit identification be on the grip strap alone or would it be somewhere else?

lugerholsterrepair · 07-20-2011, 04:48 PM

only on the grip strap if it's not there it won't be anywhere else

lambermk · 07-20-2011, 04:48 PM

If you look on the forth image from the top at right above the plate that holds the trigger in place, there is some sort of mark or identification would that be it? Also all of the serial numbers match that is a good thing right?

lambermk · 07-20-2011, 04:49 PM

Oh okay I type too slow, thanks for your help gentlemen.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-20-2011, 05:08 PM

Matthew, That is an Eagle. There are various foreing proofs as well as workers marks on the pistol. Have you taken the pistol apart to determine if the internal numbers match?
The inside of the grips should have the last 2 numbers on them too.

lambermk · 07-20-2011, 05:25 PM

I just followed your thread on tearing it down and yes they do match. And I was careful not to damage that corner.

sheepherder · 07-20-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Matthew..You have a pistol made in 1913 for the military.

Jerry, that year jogs my memory...Was that the last year that military Lugers were lugless???

Norme · 07-20-2011, 05:49 PM

Hi Rich, Hold-opens and stock lugs were phased in during 1913. Matthew's gun appears to have a retro fitted hold-open. Regards, Norm

sheepherder · 07-20-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Rich, Hold-opens and stock lugs were phased in during 1913.

So they can be found with or without stock lugs in 1913???

Norme · 07-20-2011, 07:34 PM

Hi Rich, !913's can be found with and without stock lugs, but those with are much less common. Regards, Norm

07-20-2011, 03:00 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	Matthew..You have a pistol made in 1913 for the military. It was later issued to the Police and a sear safety added. Looks to be in good shape. Are there any number or letters on the grip straps? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-20-2011, 03:16 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	Matthew..No I was talking about the metal strips between the wooden handles. They were sometimes unit marked on these strips. It would be quite evident if they were. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-20-2011, 04:48 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	only on the grip strap if it's not there it won't be anywhere else __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-20-2011, 05:08 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	Matthew, That is an Eagle. There are various foreing proofs as well as workers marks on the pistol. Have you taken the pistol apart to determine if the internal numbers match? The inside of the grips should have the last 2 numbers on them too. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-20-2011, 03:11 PM	#3
lambermk User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 18 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Do I need to remove the grips to find out sir? If not then no sir. There are no numbers of any kind on the grips.

07-20-2011, 03:24 PM	#5
lambermk User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 18 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Excuse my ignorance, no sir there are none. Is this Luger common or rare. Since it was so hard in finding one on this site. I will continue to look, now that I know what I am looking for. Also I understand it maybe difficult without actually handling the weapon but is there any way you could give us a ballpark on its value?

07-20-2011, 03:46 PM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Matthew, Welcome to the forum! As Jerry has said, you have a very nice military Luger that was modified for Police use after WW1. 1913 DWM's like yours are not common, but it would be more interesting to collectors were it unit marked. Putting a value on a gun like this is a little tricky, I think you could get $1,200.00 for it, and a dealer would probably ask close to $2,000.00. I hope this helps. Regards, Norm

07-20-2011, 04:43 PM	#7
lambermk User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 18 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks alot Norm. Would the unit identification be on the grip strap alone or would it be somewhere else?

07-20-2011, 04:49 PM	#10
lambermk User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 18 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh okay I type too slow, thanks for your help gentlemen.

07-20-2011, 05:25 PM	#12
lambermk User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 18 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just followed your thread on tearing it down and yes they do match. And I was careful not to damage that corner.

07-20-2011, 05:49 PM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Rich, Hold-opens and stock lugs were phased in during 1913. Matthew's gun appears to have a retro fitted hold-open. Regards, Norm

07-20-2011, 07:34 PM	#16
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Rich, !913's can be found with and without stock lugs, but those with are much less common. Regards, Norm