Anatomy Of A 1920 Luger Carbine

guns3545 · 04-30-2011, 02:22 PM

Eric,

I will not make a literal translation but will try to help.

The gun displayed in Henrotin is a Navy Carbine as can be found described in Kenyon on Pages 190/191. The verbiage is almost identical between the two authors.

But..this is not your gun. Your carbine displays all the characteristics of the 1920 Carbine. Externally, just looking at the forearm tells you that. Checkering and attachment are different in the two variations.

I am puzzled by the SN. Others on this forum, much more knowledgeable about the period will tell you that the SN falls in the DWM29 period and is literally in the middle of the range in Dwight's list that is dominated by Police sear safety guns.

Again, apologies but this is not my area of expertise so I cannot even speculate on the similarities of the SN on your carbine and the range of DWM SNs that are documented.

DWM were pretty careful about not producing guns that had the same SN unlike the Swiss who in the early days could have multiple guns with the same SN, e.g. the saga of the standard issue Military, the "A" series and the 'E" series. But I digress.

Sorry not to be of further help.

John

cirelaw · 04-30-2011, 02:35 PM

The only thing that I question is the lack of "GERMANY" Was it geered to domestic use? There also remain the "31' on the stock lug. It was pointed out that a mere 2 digit imprint was incorrect. Merci!

guns3545 · 04-30-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

The only thing that I question is the lack of "GERMANY" Was it geered to domestic use? There also remain the "31' on the stock lug. It was pointed out that a mere 2 digit imprint was incorrect. Merci!

Eric,

Good points. I am less concerned about the lack of "Germany" as these guns were made for many markets that did not require a statement of origin. But you are correct in that most guns shipped to the USA would have had Made in Germany or Germany stamped on them.

But..as I wrote, the serial number and the numbering is a puzzle.

John

cirelaw · 04-30-2011, 04:12 PM

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cirelaw · 04-30-2011, 05:06 PM

Ask myself whats behind the carbine plastic butt plate and to me surprise was 2 ten inch holes which immediatly reminded me of those High Times magazine that only my room mate would subscribe. I guess it would be to make the stock lighhter which makes no sence what so ever. Where there simular holes on the earlier 1902 model?? The orchids are for You!

Kitkat041836 · 04-30-2011, 07:41 PM

The holes in your stock were there to help your stock dry out
faster.What I want to know is why your rear togell has a
sight on it? And is there a number on it,would like to see a
picture of it. Would also like to know who you bought this
gun from?
Thanks George
P.S. Yes there were simular holes on the earlier 1902 carbine model.

sheepherder · 05-17-2011, 06:56 PM

Interesting...Is that one of Eugene Golubtsov's early conversions??? It looks pretty good...

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guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 438 Thanks: 661 Thanked 493 Times in 219 Posts	Eric, I will not make a literal translation but will try to help. The gun displayed in Henrotin is a Navy Carbine as can be found described in Kenyon on Pages 190/191. The verbiage is almost identical between the two authors. But..this is not your gun. Your carbine displays all the characteristics of the 1920 Carbine. Externally, just looking at the forearm tells you that. Checkering and attachment are different in the two variations. I am puzzled by the SN. Others on this forum, much more knowledgeable about the period will tell you that the SN falls in the DWM29 period and is literally in the middle of the range in Dwight's list that is dominated by Police sear safety guns. Again, apologies but this is not my area of expertise so I cannot even speculate on the similarities of the SN on your carbine and the range of DWM SNs that are documented. DWM were pretty careful about not producing guns that had the same SN unlike the Swiss who in the early days could have multiple guns with the same SN, e.g. the saga of the standard issue Military, the "A" series and the 'E" series. But I digress. Sorry not to be of further help. John

04-30-2011, 07:41 PM	#6
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	The holes in your stock were there to help your stock dry out faster.What I want to know is why your rear togell has a sight on it? And is there a number on it,would like to see a picture of it. Would also like to know who you bought this gun from? Thanks George P.S. Yes there were simular holes on the earlier 1902 carbine model.