Borchardts go with Steampunk - Page 2

minigun · 01-24-2011, 04:55 PM

That's cool! I thought there was a different angle to this sort of thing, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know the saying for it too.

Wonder where "steampunk" actually derived from. Nice Luger carbine too!

StarOfTheWest · 01-24-2011, 05:44 PM

Thanks Minigun, I love that old Carbine.

From what I can gather, the Goth movement got terribly bored with itself and wanted something more technological and interesting to do about 10-15 years ago.
They also attracted a much wider range and more well-read age groups with the changes.

It was suddenly no longer just rebellious kids, but the full age spread of folks wanting personalized expression in a society that had started to become more uniform, faceless and standardized.

The Edwardian/Victorian folks went with Steampunk, and the more modern, (1920s-1950s) group went Dieselpunk.

There is very little "punk" in either group, except for some exotic birdlike hairstyles amongst the West Coast musicians.
And that is all I could find out about the term.

But Jules Verne and H.G. Wells had been writing about this genre over a century ago, so there has always been a certain interest generated by the ideas.

Judging by the Youtube hits, (lots and lots), this is also a subculture happening in Europe and Russia, so it seems to appeal to a rather diverse group of very imaginative and creative intellectual rebels.

It is what YOU want to make of it, no particular defined rules or costuming fads, just lots of different approaches to alternative could-have-beens of science, music, costuming and art.

Almost all of it is hand and homemade, luckily it hasn't appeared in retail outlets yet, *giggle*.
The Real Thing will still show as drastically different though, even if it does start being commercialized.
Mass production can never duplicate unique personalized expression.

Here are some wonderful lyrics that kind of sum it up:

Throw Them Overboard by Abney Park

If you map out my psychology
It will look like archaeology
I've got no love for this society
I prefer total free autonomy!

Take your newfangled this and your newfangled that
And you can line them up and throw them overboard!
Your newfangled this and your newfangled that
And you can line them up and throw them overboard!

We've made an art of this horology
To the point of a new theology
I say to hell with modern technology
And we embrace analog mythology!

Take your newfangled this and your newfangled that
And you can line them up and throw them overboard!
Your newfangled this and your newfangled that
And you can line them up and throw them overboard!

This society's technology
Is an aesthetic anthropophagy
To survive this cultural urology
You have to study alcohology

Or take your newfangled this and your newfangled that
And you can line them up and throw them overboard!
Your newfangled this and your newfangled that
And you can line them up and throw them overboard!

A.Mifsin · 01-25-2011, 02:22 PM

[The Hanna Reitsch stuff and the militaria collection is safely stored here in the mansion.

When are you going to give us treat and show us that stuff please?
Alf.

StarOfTheWest · 01-25-2011, 03:33 PM

Well, small problem, vault storage is 2nd floor in converted ballroom, and since the stroke in April, I cannot make the 26 step stairway, and not sure husband would be willing to hunt for it for me, after all the "fetch Lugers" errands I have already put him through.

All I have on the hard drive is some of the tinnies and a few badges and patches... none of the uniforms, flags, shooting awards, daggers or the desktop eagle.

I shot these pics back in 97, so even these cases are just a fraction of what the collection grew into. So, sorry, but here's a tiny few.

Disclaimer: this collection is not a political statement, just historical artifacts.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2drb5m0.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/29mvalf.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2q18kur.jpg

StarOfTheWest · 01-25-2011, 03:51 PM

Found a pic of the desk eagle:
http://i56.tinypic.com/29vgg0l.jpg

...and the paratrooper badge:
http://i55.tinypic.com/sex0s2.jpg

hardinge · 01-25-2011, 09:21 PM

I keep looking for the absinthe fountain in those first pics.
Lovely sense of style.

StarOfTheWest · 01-25-2011, 09:56 PM

I don't think we can have "real" absinthe, containing artemesia, here in the States, but I heard it can be had in Eastern Europe somewhere.
Wouldn't that be fun?
Yes, I agree, the Green Goddess sure would fit right in.
Or was that the Green Fairy? I forget.

A.Mifsin · 01-26-2011, 02:25 AM

Thank you StarOfTheWest, We hope that some day, when you get better we will have the privelage to see the rest.

Alf.

A.Mifsin · 01-26-2011, 02:42 AM

"Yes, I agree, the Green Goddess sure would fit right in.
Or was that the Green Fairy? I forget."

Green Fairy.

Alf.

minigun · 01-27-2011, 09:00 PM

That's cool stuff. If you've said in the past, I'm sorry I've missed it, but do you or are you collecting this stuff? And, have you visited the P.38 forum? That's where I'm mostly at these days.

It seems that I remember that you were appraising the carbine and Borchardt? I can't totally recall what was going on.....it's been a while.

StarOfTheWest · 01-27-2011, 09:33 PM

A board member was kind enough to come out here and appraise the entire Luger collection a few years back, and brought his friend who did the same for all the holsters. That might be what you are thinking of.

When the collection first became mine, I was posting lots of photos of the more interesting pieces here, but my photo expert friend is not in the same town anymore, so there are many that never were shown here.

No, I don't frequent the P38 Forum, as I only have 3 of those, a byf, a cyq, and an ac. No, I don't remember the years, just wanted a minty one of each. I have exchanged emails with and have a huge respect for Orv Reichert though, is he still around?

I had briefly entertained the idea of selling the Borchardt, but caught some flak for wanting only a face to face cash deal, so just kept it.

I used to collect a lot of German WW2 militaria, but have focused more on my Lugers over the last few years.
In fact, for the CO Front Range folks, you probably have met me pre-2002 at the gun shows back then.
Was quite a regular and set up often at the Tanner and the Crossroads Shows. PM me if you think you know me, CO folks.

Lugers, antiques, and Steampunk catch my interest more these days.

minigun · 01-27-2011, 10:22 PM

Yep, Orv is still around. Hopefully your P.38's serial numbers went into his data base. We try and collect this information for him and he has a huge list that he's compiled of them with descriptions and such.

Noth'in wrong with wanting a face-to-face deal in my opinion. Since you caught flak for it, I don't wanna go any further.

Did you ever attend the Dallas Market Hall gunshows? I've attended these since the early '90's. If you have, maybe I have run into you.

I sorta remember the pics of the rarer Lugers that you were posting a while back.

Back on subject; I was asking a few of the people I work with if they had ever heard of "steam punk". Loa and behold, they had! Where the heck have I been?

StarOfTheWest · 01-28-2011, 06:34 AM

Next time I have husband dig guns out, I will grab that info for Orv.
He is a great guy.

Nope, we are 3 hours east of Dallas, and I am pretty freaked out by the traffic there. Husband is fearless, and would love to go to Market Hall someday, but our biz is busiest on weekends here, so we have yet to make it in for one.

Would love to meet you someday, if you ever find yourself almost to Shreveport, you will be very close to here.
You are always welcome to come by, just drop me a PM for contact details if you will be heading our way.

Steampunk is pretty amazing, and has managed to combine a lot of my interests into one genre.
I want our town to go with a Steampunk theme for next year's Mardi Gras festival. I think it would be a great draw, and something very new. We are trying to build tourism here, as this is a very historic town, of enough size to really boom. Good news that Dallas knows about Steampunk too, as some Shreveport guests knew of it as well. I am guessing more people in TX are aware of it than we think.

Ida-Alp · 01-28-2011, 09:54 AM

I love your guns, my wife loves your other "stuff" and we both love your dog with the "Devil Eyes"..

Check out the 1933 Besler steam powered airplane on youtube!!

Here's to a quick recovery--

StarOfTheWest · 01-28-2011, 11:03 AM

Thank you so much, Ida-Alp!
Greetings to your wife as well!
I will definitely check out that steam plane.
Fritz the Dog says "hi".

Here is a link where the best of the Steampunk bands talks about their origin and the Edison Theater venue.
Pretty cool theater!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXtEVaTr6F0

hgreer2 · 01-28-2011, 08:36 PM

Hey Darlin, let me know when you want to part ways with some of your collection. One of my favorite places to visit is Jefferson, I'm also into the War between the states, Jefferson was a mustering out town for the Texacans heading off to the war. There was a textile plant there that made uniforms for the Confederates, a fun place to visit, with a lot of history.

Harry

StarOfTheWest · 01-28-2011, 09:57 PM

I am 15 minutes from Jefferson.

hgreer2 · 01-28-2011, 10:02 PM

First Monday at Canton, a lot of fun.

Harry

StarOfTheWest · 01-28-2011, 10:26 PM

Have never made it there yet, was always working way too hard to take the time to go shop.
But I hear it is wonderful.

Steinar · 04-04-2011, 09:13 AM

I must admitt.. I had no idea what steampunk was until I saw this thread.

For those interested in such, I guess this link would be worth a click

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=446857

01-24-2011, 05:44 PM	#22
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	Thanks Minigun, I love that old Carbine. From what I can gather, the Goth movement got terribly bored with itself and wanted something more technological and interesting to do about 10-15 years ago. They also attracted a much wider range and more well-read age groups with the changes. It was suddenly no longer just rebellious kids, but the full age spread of folks wanting personalized expression in a society that had started to become more uniform, faceless and standardized. The Edwardian/Victorian folks went with Steampunk, and the more modern, (1920s-1950s) group went Dieselpunk. There is very little "punk" in either group, except for some exotic birdlike hairstyles amongst the West Coast musicians. And that is all I could find out about the term. But Jules Verne and H.G. Wells had been writing about this genre over a century ago, so there has always been a certain interest generated by the ideas. Judging by the Youtube hits, (lots and lots), this is also a subculture happening in Europe and Russia, so it seems to appeal to a rather diverse group of very imaginative and creative intellectual rebels. It is what YOU want to make of it, no particular defined rules or costuming fads, just lots of different approaches to alternative could-have-beens of science, music, costuming and art. Almost all of it is hand and homemade, luckily it hasn't appeared in retail outlets yet, giggle. The Real Thing will still show as drastically different though, even if it does start being commercialized. Mass production can never duplicate unique personalized expression. Here are some wonderful lyrics that kind of sum it up: Throw Them Overboard by Abney Park If you map out my psychology It will look like archaeology I've got no love for this society I prefer total free autonomy! Take your newfangled this and your newfangled that And you can line them up and throw them overboard! Your newfangled this and your newfangled that And you can line them up and throw them overboard! We've made an art of this horology To the point of a new theology I say to hell with modern technology And we embrace analog mythology! Take your newfangled this and your newfangled that And you can line them up and throw them overboard! Your newfangled this and your newfangled that And you can line them up and throw them overboard! This society's technology Is an aesthetic anthropophagy To survive this cultural urology You have to study alcohology Or take your newfangled this and your newfangled that And you can line them up and throw them overboard! Your newfangled this and your newfangled that And you can line them up and throw them overboard! __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-25-2011, 02:22 PM	#23
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	[The Hanna Reitsch stuff and the militaria collection is safely stored here in the mansion. When are you going to give us treat and show us that stuff please? Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

01-25-2011, 03:33 PM	#24
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	Well, small problem, vault storage is 2nd floor in converted ballroom, and since the stroke in April, I cannot make the 26 step stairway, and not sure husband would be willing to hunt for it for me, after all the "fetch Lugers" errands I have already put him through. All I have on the hard drive is some of the tinnies and a few badges and patches... none of the uniforms, flags, shooting awards, daggers or the desktop eagle. I shot these pics back in 97, so even these cases are just a fraction of what the collection grew into. So, sorry, but here's a tiny few. Disclaimer: this collection is not a political statement, just historical artifacts. http://i54.tinypic.com/2drb5m0.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/29mvalf.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/2q18kur.jpg __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on. Last edited by StarOfTheWest; 01-25-2011 at 09:57 PM.

01-25-2011, 03:51 PM	#25
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	Found a pic of the desk eagle: http://i56.tinypic.com/29vgg0l.jpg ...and the paratrooper badge: http://i55.tinypic.com/sex0s2.jpg __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on. Last edited by StarOfTheWest; 01-25-2011 at 09:56 PM.

01-25-2011, 09:56 PM	#27
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	I don't think we can have "real" absinthe, containing artemesia, here in the States, but I heard it can be had in Eastern Europe somewhere. Wouldn't that be fun? Yes, I agree, the Green Goddess sure would fit right in. Or was that the Green Fairy? I forget. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-24-2011, 04:55 PM	#21
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	That's cool! I thought there was a different angle to this sort of thing, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know the saying for it too. Wonder where "steampunk" actually derived from. Nice Luger carbine too!

01-25-2011, 09:21 PM	#26
hardinge User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	I keep looking for the absinthe fountain in those first pics. Lovely sense of style.

01-26-2011, 02:25 AM	#28
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Thank you StarOfTheWest, We hope that some day, when you get better we will have the privelage to see the rest. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

01-26-2011, 02:42 AM	#29
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	"Yes, I agree, the Green Goddess sure would fit right in. Or was that the Green Fairy? I forget." Green Fairy. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

01-27-2011, 09:00 PM	#30
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	That's cool stuff. If you've said in the past, I'm sorry I've missed it, but do you or are you collecting this stuff? And, have you visited the P.38 forum? That's where I'm mostly at these days. It seems that I remember that you were appraising the carbine and Borchardt? I can't totally recall what was going on.....it's been a while.

01-27-2011, 09:33 PM	#31
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	A board member was kind enough to come out here and appraise the entire Luger collection a few years back, and brought his friend who did the same for all the holsters. That might be what you are thinking of. When the collection first became mine, I was posting lots of photos of the more interesting pieces here, but my photo expert friend is not in the same town anymore, so there are many that never were shown here. No, I don't frequent the P38 Forum, as I only have 3 of those, a byf, a cyq, and an ac. No, I don't remember the years, just wanted a minty one of each. I have exchanged emails with and have a huge respect for Orv Reichert though, is he still around? I had briefly entertained the idea of selling the Borchardt, but caught some flak for wanting only a face to face cash deal, so just kept it. I used to collect a lot of German WW2 militaria, but have focused more on my Lugers over the last few years. In fact, for the CO Front Range folks, you probably have met me pre-2002 at the gun shows back then. Was quite a regular and set up often at the Tanner and the Crossroads Shows. PM me if you think you know me, CO folks. Lugers, antiques, and Steampunk catch my interest more these days. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-27-2011, 10:22 PM	#32
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Yep, Orv is still around. Hopefully your P.38's serial numbers went into his data base. We try and collect this information for him and he has a huge list that he's compiled of them with descriptions and such. Noth'in wrong with wanting a face-to-face deal in my opinion. Since you caught flak for it, I don't wanna go any further. Did you ever attend the Dallas Market Hall gunshows? I've attended these since the early '90's. If you have, maybe I have run into you. I sorta remember the pics of the rarer Lugers that you were posting a while back. Back on subject; I was asking a few of the people I work with if they had ever heard of "steam punk". Loa and behold, they had! Where the heck have I been?

01-28-2011, 06:34 AM	#33
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	Next time I have husband dig guns out, I will grab that info for Orv. He is a great guy. Nope, we are 3 hours east of Dallas, and I am pretty freaked out by the traffic there. Husband is fearless, and would love to go to Market Hall someday, but our biz is busiest on weekends here, so we have yet to make it in for one. Would love to meet you someday, if you ever find yourself almost to Shreveport, you will be very close to here. You are always welcome to come by, just drop me a PM for contact details if you will be heading our way. Steampunk is pretty amazing, and has managed to combine a lot of my interests into one genre. I want our town to go with a Steampunk theme for next year's Mardi Gras festival. I think it would be a great draw, and something very new. We are trying to build tourism here, as this is a very historic town, of enough size to really boom. Good news that Dallas knows about Steampunk too, as some Shreveport guests knew of it as well. I am guessing more people in TX are aware of it than we think. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-28-2011, 09:54 AM	#34
Ida-Alp Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nampa ID Posts: 116 Thanks: 81 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	great pics I love your guns, my wife loves your other "stuff" and we both love your dog with the "Devil Eyes".. Check out the 1933 Besler steam powered airplane on youtube!! Here's to a quick recovery--

01-28-2011, 11:03 AM	#35
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	Thank you so much, Ida-Alp! Greetings to your wife as well! I will definitely check out that steam plane. Fritz the Dog says "hi". Here is a link where the best of the Steampunk bands talks about their origin and the Edison Theater venue. Pretty cool theater! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXtEVaTr6F0 __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-28-2011, 08:36 PM	#36
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	Hey Darlin, let me know when you want to part ways with some of your collection. One of my favorite places to visit is Jefferson, I'm also into the War between the states, Jefferson was a mustering out town for the Texacans heading off to the war. There was a textile plant there that made uniforms for the Confederates, a fun place to visit, with a lot of history. Harry

01-28-2011, 09:57 PM	#37
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	I am 15 minutes from Jefferson. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-28-2011, 10:02 PM	#38
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	First Monday at Canton, a lot of fun. Harry

01-28-2011, 10:26 PM	#39
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	Have never made it there yet, was always working way too hard to take the time to go shop. But I hear it is wonderful. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

04-04-2011, 09:13 AM	#40
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	I must admitt.. I had no idea what steampunk was until I saw this thread. For those interested in such, I guess this link would be worth a click http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=446857 __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane Last edited by Steinar; 04-04-2011 at 10:41 AM.