Is this is a original 1918 DWM

chromeed · 11-02-2010, 11:26 PM

Can anyone tell me if this is a original 1918 DWM or a DWM that was reworked and engraved?
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Mike B · 11-02-2010, 11:42 PM

Beyond any doubt, this is not an original DWM. It certainly has been reworked or whatever you want to call it.
Mike

chromeed · 11-03-2010, 05:56 AM

What would the value of this gun be?
Did the Engraving and inlay add to the value?

Steinar · 11-03-2010, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chromeed

Did the Engraving and inlay add to the value?

That depends on the buyer, and basically if he/she is a collector or buying it just out of appearance.
I would think most guys here would much rather have an original artillery Luger, even with a fair portion of pitting, rather than this one.

John Sabato · 11-03-2010, 07:28 AM

I concur, this is definitely a custom engraving... collector value ? Not as a Luger, but perhaps as the representative of the engraving arts. Value would be in the eye of the purchaser. The gun has lost virtually all collector value as a Luger...

alanint · 11-03-2010, 07:39 AM

Especially with the silly Maltese Cross on the grips. That put it over the top for me..

Edward Tinker · 11-03-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Especially with the silly Maltese Cross on the grips. That put it over the top for me..

I like it much better than the fake nazi engraved ones tho

Ron Smith · 11-03-2010, 08:43 AM

It looks like a Franklin Mint gun. One of the Limited Edition Commemoratives they used to sell with magazine adds.

Norme · 11-03-2010, 08:47 AM

Pete Ebbink posted this one a few years ago, I bet it's a real chick magnet. Regards

Edward Tinker · 11-03-2010, 09:25 AM

Sorry Norm, I like the 2nd one

lugerholsterrepair · 11-03-2010, 09:42 AM

God! What a waste of a Navy Luger! I am not a large fan of engraving but these don't look all that bad. No getting them back without a time machine..

Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 11-03-2010, 10:55 AM

Jerry, Sine the second example is very tastefully done, and doesn't include a date stamped on the receiver ring, it may be that it was a commercial gun or hopefully a parts gun made from a commercial receiver.

I am sure you join me in preferring to think that a "real" Navy Luger wasn't sacrificed to create this one...

I DO like the engraving on this one, but it isn't something I would ever have done to one of my guns.

The only engraved gun I own is a Beretta O/U skeet gun (Model S56E) that I bought in Africa back in 1973... it was factory original engraving on the receiver. It was/is nice to look at, but it never made my Skeet scores any higher

Norme · 11-03-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

Jerry, Sine the second example is very tastefully done, and doesn't include a date stamped on the receiver ring, it may be that it was a commercial gun or hopefully a parts gun made from a commercial receiver.

Hi John, It's a 1908 Navy, they had undated chambers. Regards, Norm

alanint · 11-03-2010, 11:37 AM

It would be interesting to try to match the engraved ship's sillouette to a known craft. It looks like period engraving and the ivory looks old as well. I wonder if there was any dedication engraved on the gun?

Norme · 11-03-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

It would be interesting to try to match the engraved ship's sillouette to a known craft. It looks like period engraving and the ivory looks old as well. I wonder if there was any dedication engraved on the gun?

Hi Doug, Some effort was made to identify the two ships (unsuccessfully) when this gun was originally posted, back in 2005. Heres the link. Regards, Norm http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=11828

niksylo · 11-05-2010, 07:02 PM

You guys are all wrong, the Luger as posted in the original question was presented to Lt. Werner Voss three days before his monumental dogfight with 5 SE5's. The Maltese cross is there to symbolize Jasta 11. At the time of Voss's death, the gun was in the hotel room of Lother Von Richthofen and they gun than was passed on to Ernest Udet.

This gun was on display at the Richthofen museum and how did you acquire it.

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I concur, this is definitely a custom engraving... collector value ? Not as a Luger, but perhaps as the representative of the engraving arts. Value would be in the eye of the purchaser. The gun has lost virtually all collector value as a Luger... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	It looks like a Franklin Mint gun. One of the Limited Edition Commemoratives they used to sell with magazine adds. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

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Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Pete Ebbink posted this one a few years ago, I bet it's a real chick magnet. Regards Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

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Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	Beyond any doubt, this is not an original DWM. It certainly has been reworked or whatever you want to call it. Mike

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chromeed User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 81 Thanks: 1 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts	What would the value of this gun be? Did the Engraving and inlay add to the value?

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Especially with the silly Maltese Cross on the grips. That put it over the top for me..

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	God! What a waste of a Navy Luger! I am not a large fan of engraving but these don't look all that bad. No getting them back without a time machine.. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-03-2010, 10:55 AM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Jerry, Sine the second example is very tastefully done, and doesn't include a date stamped on the receiver ring, it may be that it was a commercial gun or hopefully a parts gun made from a commercial receiver. I am sure you join me in preferring to think that a "real" Navy Luger wasn't sacrificed to create this one... I DO like the engraving on this one, but it isn't something I would ever have done to one of my guns. The only engraved gun I own is a Beretta O/U skeet gun (Model S56E) that I bought in Africa back in 1973... it was factory original engraving on the receiver. It was/is nice to look at, but it never made my Skeet scores any higher __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-03-2010, 11:37 AM	#14
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	It would be interesting to try to match the engraved ship's sillouette to a known craft. It looks like period engraving and the ivory looks old as well. I wonder if there was any dedication engraved on the gun?

11-05-2010, 07:02 PM	#16
niksylo Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You guys are all wrong, the Luger as posted in the original question was presented to Lt. Werner Voss three days before his monumental dogfight with 5 SE5's. The Maltese cross is there to symbolize Jasta 11. At the time of Voss's death, the gun was in the hotel room of Lother Von Richthofen and they gun than was passed on to Ernest Udet. This gun was on display at the Richthofen museum and how did you acquire it.