DWM commercial 30 cal.

lzcypress · 09-11-2010, 10:12 PM

Did DWM make commercial lugers with engraving?
I have been thinking of purchasing this luger, mis-matched #'s, 4 3/4" barrel ser# 86996. Any information would be helpful.

alanint · 09-11-2010, 11:01 PM

No, and that is not the original back sight, either. This gun has been modified to someone's taste and would not interest a collector.

It may, however, make a great shooter with a nice touch of engraving if the price is right.

Edward Tinker · 09-11-2010, 11:03 PM

How much engraving? Looks ok so far as Alan suggested?

Can we see right and left?

ed

alanint · 09-12-2010, 07:42 AM

Are the grips genuine ivory or some synthetic? That would also influence the price.

It's odd that someone would lavish this much attention on a mismatched gun.

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 08:02 AM

The seller says, ivory grips, but he has the original grips. This was given to him by his father in law. A gunsmith told him that it was a 1921 commercial luger. I have more pictures, but I don't know how to reduce the size. I will be glad to send them. e-mail me and I will foward pictures. zylicz3@sbcglobal.net
Thanks for the imput. Larry

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 08:58 AM

Ivory grips

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 09:04 AM

another picture

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 09:06 AM

another picture

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 09:11 AM

a different picture

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2010, 09:12 AM

4 3/4" barrel?

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 09:13 AM

another different picture

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 09:16 AM

final picture. Thanks again for all the help and putting up with a computer wizzard. Larry

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2010, 09:59 AM

What is he wanting for it?
The rear sight is pretty cheesy and it has no collector value, but nevertheless it does have a bit of charm.
The question is how much is charm worth to you?
I'd say $500 to $600 is OK, $800 or more walk away from it never looking back.
But remember that .30 is pricey to shoot so you are buying a charming paper weight.
dju

sheepherder · 09-12-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

4 3/4" barrel?

lzcypress - a full left side view would be helpful...

Mauser720 · 09-12-2010, 01:38 PM

postino -

Did you notice someone has put a flip-up rear peep sight in front of the rear sight too? (looks a little crudely made IMHO)

I could be wrong, but I do not think those are genuine ivory grips. Anyone disagree?

sheepherder · 09-12-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauser720

postino -

Did you notice someone has put a flip-up rear peep sight in front of the rear sight too? (looks a little crudely made IMHO)

Spring-loaded, too...looks kinda floppy...and there seems to be a pin sticking out from the OEM rear sight...if it is the OEM rear sight...It would be helpful to know how it was fastened to the toggle...

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I could be wrong, but I do not think those are genuine ivory grips. Anyone disagree?

I've had the imitation ivory grips that Melvin Tyler used to distribute (still have a set); they age to yellow after a few years...they also show the laminations...

I think you guys are being generous with your value estimates...It has always been my opinion that engraving is used to hide defects...This engraving looks like someone learning the craft, or maybe toying with mechanized engraving...Awful lot of engraved lines on the sideplate...

I would like to see a side view, especially to gauge whether the barrel is 4" (measured from outside) or 4 3/4" (measured to breech face)...

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 03:19 PM

I was incorrect about the barrel length. It is a 6" barrel. The seller says that they are ivory grips. He will be fowarding me pictures of both sides.

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 04:26 PM

right side

lzcypress · 09-12-2010, 04:27 PM

left side

sheepherder · 09-12-2010, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lzcypress

I was incorrect about the barrel length. It is a 6" barrel.

In that case, I would think that $600+ might be realistic...You might be able to sell it to an engraving/ivory fan for more, but it might be a while...I think I would agree with DJU that $800 is not worth it...For a shooter...

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The seller says that they are ivory grips. He will be fowarding me pictures of both sides.

IIRC, you can tell if it is real ivory with a red-hot needle...but it's not a popular test...

09-11-2010, 10:12 PM	#1
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	DWM commercial 30 cal. Did DWM make commercial lugers with engraving? I have been thinking of purchasing this luger, mis-matched #'s, 4 3/4" barrel ser# 86996. Any information would be helpful. Attached Thumbnails

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,963 Thanks: 2,064 Thanked 4,593 Times in 2,115 Posts	How much engraving? Looks ok so far as Alan suggested? Can we see right and left? ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	DWM commercial 30 cal. Ivory grips Attached Thumbnails

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lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	another picture Attached Thumbnails

09-11-2010, 11:01 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	No, and that is not the original back sight, either. This gun has been modified to someone's taste and would not interest a collector. It may, however, make a great shooter with a nice touch of engraving if the price is right.

09-12-2010, 07:42 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Are the grips genuine ivory or some synthetic? That would also influence the price. It's odd that someone would lavish this much attention on a mismatched gun.

09-12-2010, 08:02 AM	#5
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The seller says, ivory grips, but he has the original grips. This was given to him by his father in law. A gunsmith told him that it was a 1921 commercial luger. I have more pictures, but I don't know how to reduce the size. I will be glad to send them. e-mail me and I will foward pictures. zylicz3@sbcglobal.net Thanks for the imput. Larry

09-12-2010, 09:11 AM	#9
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	a different picture Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2010, 09:12 AM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	4 3/4" barrel?

09-12-2010, 09:13 AM	#11
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	another different picture Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2010, 09:16 AM	#12
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	final picture. Thanks again for all the help and putting up with a computer wizzard. Larry Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2010, 09:59 AM	#13
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	What is he wanting for it? The rear sight is pretty cheesy and it has no collector value, but nevertheless it does have a bit of charm. The question is how much is charm worth to you? I'd say $500 to $600 is OK, $800 or more walk away from it never looking back. But remember that .30 is pricey to shoot so you are buying a charming paper weight. dju

09-12-2010, 01:38 PM	#15
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	postino - Did you notice someone has put a flip-up rear peep sight in front of the rear sight too? (looks a little crudely made IMHO) I could be wrong, but I do not think those are genuine ivory grips. Anyone disagree? __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

09-12-2010, 03:19 PM	#17
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was incorrect about the barrel length. It is a 6" barrel. The seller says that they are ivory grips. He will be fowarding me pictures of both sides.

09-12-2010, 04:26 PM	#18
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	right side Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2010, 04:27 PM	#19
lzcypress User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 15 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	left side Attached Thumbnails