Newbie needs help

[D. Ricks]

Are you saying these are not original mags from 1914 dju? There should be no suffix on the mags because the gun has no suffix. The information I found on a site was that the 1914 DWM started at like 01 -10,000 with no suffix and then 10,000 number blocks with a, b,c, etc. suffixes.I collect Nazi Lugers and I didn't know they used wood bottom nickel mags in 1935. From what Im gathering from the responses here this was a military proofed 1914 DWM that the police procured and added a sear safety in about 1935 as the holster is dated 1935 and serial numbered to the gun. Dail

[tau-delt]

Dail.... It looks to me that probably neither mag was with the gun from the get go. In your first picture the body of the one on the right looks to be more Imperial period due to the kind of brushed or flat finish. The one on the left is more typical of the body color I've seen on Police mags.

In the third picture which I believe is the #1 mag (+) I think I am seeing a very faint suffix above the +. Looking like a "g" or "q" to me.

I believe the numbering on both mags was done by the Police and IMO they just shaved the original number off the #1 mag and renumbered it to match.

Don Maus knows a lot more about all of this but this is just my guess.

Really neat rig and you are getting very good with the pictures........

[D. Ricks]

I looked at it with a loop Dave and its a imperfection in the wood. But as I said I am not good on Imperial Lugers so I don't know the history on their mags. Would they have used wood bottom mags in 1935 or aluminum? I had a K date and it was a aluminum base as is my 1936 S/42. Thanks Dail

[tau-delt]

Dail... I think that the Police used whatever they had. Again, Don really knows this stuff. I'll be interested in seeing what he has to say about the mags. IMO it really doesn't matter if they used the original mag or a different one. It became a Police gun and the mags were changed to conform to their regulations............

Just my 2 cents.......

[D. Ricks]

Thanks Dave. I hope Don replies to the question. I like to learn as much as I can when I get something new I don't know about. Dail

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I guess my thoughts are that I'm not going to get quite as spendy for a gun with magazines later issued to the gun as I would for a gun with it's original magazines, with the correct suffix, where applicable. To me the later Police re-issue mags. are along the line of matching VOPO mags.
But then maybe I'm just being a stick-in-the-mud. It does happen.
dju

APPLES AND ORANGES......

Not sure how they can be called the same; as most collectors divide pre-ww2 and later post ww2 into different categories.

Police would use what they had, but by 1935, I highly doubt they would have used wood bases. In 1926 (if I remember right) there was a directive to switch from wood to aluminum, so 9 yrs later, I would imagine that aluminum would be the preemptive choice and what was available.

With police, you have to know your stuff. there were different kinds of police, different kinds of markings, stamps, etc.

As they got into the nazi era things became "more" organized, more centralized.


Ed

[D. Ricks]

Thanks for that information Ed. Dail

[D. Ricks]

Thanks to everyone for your help and knowledge that you shared on my Luger. This is a great forum. I didn't know about the thumbs up symbol for thanks. Dail

[Don M]

Dave, you give me too much credit. But I have observed that many of the 29 DWMs in the s, t and u blocks that were issued to the police have original matching wood base mags. So they were in use by the police later than 1926.

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by Don M

... So they were in use by the police later than 1926.

DON, since I was the only one that used that date; please look above and see what I wrote.

I said that AFTER 1926 they were to be phased out. 1929-1930 is closer to 1926 than 1935.

I showed an example of a 1917, on purpose, that it had two types of magazines. My purpose in doing so was that it showed that BOTH types could make it through with wood and aluminum.


so, in other words, yes, as Don said, wood bases would be found.

[Don M]

Ed, I'm puzzled by your comments since I thought I was agreeing with you. I added only that wood-base mags were being issued with newly manufactured Lugers in 1929.

[Edward Tinker]

Don, its not you, I am just having a bad writing day. My apoligies my friend.


Ed