German sub-machine gun ammo - Page 2

01-09-2002, 10:15 AM

I have first hand knowledge of a Luger receiver blow up. A few years ago I ordered a Luger from an acqaintance who no longer lived in my area. He decided to shoot up some ammo he had before sending the Luger to me. After a few shots the receiver came apart. He required numerous stitches to fix his hand. He was using some foreign ammo. Later he looked at the box "for SMG use only" I know this happened because I lost a Luger and saw his hand some months later.

01-09-2002, 08:25 PM

Dear Reb- I'm a Brit, and my 1918 DWM was proofed in the Birmingham Proof House to 9.5 tons per square inch, at least, that's what it reads under the barrel. My 1942 byf, which I bought with a proof house certificate since I caught the gunsmith before he sent it off for proof, and arranged for it to get through proof without stamping the metal, is also proofed at 9.5 tons per square inch. Don't know about any others though, since everybody else I know handed theirs in for destruction.

TF

01-10-2002, 11:29 PM

I have a box of ammo with the same markings as the one in schwob"s picture but with the following exceptions.

42-CARTRIDGES

S.A. BALL .45"

On the side of the bow is stamped 30 JAN 1942

LOT 110

01-11-2002, 02:22 PM

Sorry Terry, I should have clarified that statement. I was referencing M. Reese II book, Luger Tips and his statement that Vicker Ltd ---Armstrong Ltd --- England proofed the Lugers they built to 15 tons/sq. inch. Did not thinking about modern era proofing.

Best regards,

Rod

schwob · 01-11-2002, 04:47 PM

Jim, the ammo you have could be for Thompson or Reising. I don't think the 'Grease Gun' was in production at that time, i.e. 1942, but I could be very wrong. Just speculation.

01-11-2002, 06:58 PM

Dear Reb- Our Browning High-power, the service issue pistol for most of the British Armed Forces, were proofed to 13.5 TPI, as a matter of interest. Built by Inglis of Canada for the Army, or FN for the RAF, they had to share the rather hot Mk 2Z ammunition used in our Sterling SMG. This weapon fired using the so-called advanced firing pin system, where the firing pin was actually machined into the face of the breech block, and fired the round as it came to an abrupt halt in the breech, stopped by the case neck stopping against the inverted neck shape of the chamber.

TF

01-09-2002, 10:15 AM	#21
Art Buchanan Guest Posts: n/a	Re: sub-machine gun ammo I have first hand knowledge of a Luger receiver blow up. A few years ago I ordered a Luger from an acqaintance who no longer lived in my area. He decided to shoot up some ammo he had before sending the Luger to me. After a few shots the receiver came apart. He required numerous stitches to fix his hand. He was using some foreign ammo. Later he looked at the box "for SMG use only" I know this happened because I lost a Luger and saw his hand some months later.

01-09-2002, 08:25 PM	#22
Terry A de C Foley Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Cracked P38 Slides Dear Reb- I'm a Brit, and my 1918 DWM was proofed in the Birmingham Proof House to 9.5 tons per square inch, at least, that's what it reads under the barrel. My 1942 byf, which I bought with a proof house certificate since I caught the gunsmith before he sent it off for proof, and arranged for it to get through proof without stamping the metal, is also proofed at 9.5 tons per square inch. Don't know about any others though, since everybody else I know handed theirs in for destruction. TF

01-10-2002, 11:29 PM	#23
Jim Shepherd Guest Posts: n/a	Re: German sub-machine gun ammo I have a box of ammo with the same markings as the one in schwob"s picture but with the following exceptions. 42-CARTRIDGES S.A. BALL .45" On the side of the bow is stamped 30 JAN 1942 LOT 110

01-11-2002, 02:22 PM	#24
REB Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Dear Terry........ Sorry Terry, I should have clarified that statement. I was referencing M. Reese II book, Luger Tips and his statement that Vicker Ltd ---Armstrong Ltd --- England proofed the Lugers they built to 15 tons/sq. inch. Did not thinking about modern era proofing. Best regards, Rod

01-11-2002, 04:47 PM	#25
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: German sub-machine gun ammo Jim, the ammo you have could be for Thompson or Reising. I don't think the 'Grease Gun' was in production at that time, i.e. 1942, but I could be very wrong. Just speculation.

01-11-2002, 06:58 PM	#26
Terry A de C Foley Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Dear Terry........ Dear Reb- Our Browning High-power, the service issue pistol for most of the British Armed Forces, were proofed to 13.5 TPI, as a matter of interest. Built by Inglis of Canada for the Army, or FN for the RAF, they had to share the rather hot Mk 2Z ammunition used in our Sterling SMG. This weapon fired using the so-called advanced firing pin system, where the firing pin was actually machined into the face of the breech block, and fired the round as it came to an abrupt halt in the breech, stopped by the case neck stopping against the inverted neck shape of the chamber. TF