POO POO DEL TORO STORIES !

Orv Reichert · 01-08-2002, 05:14 PM

My very favorite story about the 'TAKEN OFF THE STILL WARM BODY OF AN 'SS' OFFICER" happened to me about 15 years ago. I was contacted by a man who had P08 for sale! I ran right over to Benicia and low and behold...he brought out a Nambu T14 holster [canvas type].

After hearing the story about it being taken off the body of the SS officer, ...I said. "That is a Jap holster!"

Without blinking an eye...the seller said, "I didn't know the SS used Jap Holsters?"

The guy then told me how he wanted big bucks for the gun. I said ..How Much'...he said $500 but make an offer?

Finally, he handed me the holster/gun.....would you believe and absolutely MINT 100% 1906 .30 cal Com'l? Not Germany marked...

So, being a nice guy, I offered $450 if he included the holster.......!

I had troubles walking out with the rig without doing a dance while singing and shouting!!!!

you can see a photo of the same gun on page 633-634 of the STANDARD CATALOG OF FIREARMS 11th edition.

Orv Reichert

BILL · 01-08-2002, 06:17 PM

That IS a rare find. Not too many 1906 Commercials were ever issued with a Type 14 Nambu holster (especially the canvas type). You did good Orv.

Orv Reichert · 01-08-2002, 10:46 PM

Another one...American, this time.

A guy had a really nice Remington Rand .45 1911a1 for sale. He said it had been 'awarded by the Navy' to his dad at the end of WW-2....for his service in the Navy.. and, dad brought it home in 1945.

He pointed with pride to the inspectors intials GHD and said his dad said that means GOVLERNMENT HONOR DEVICE. That voided the U S GOVERNMENT PROPERTY stamped on it, I guess?

When I showed him that the GHD was inspectors intials in Clauson's Book, he said "I guess dad lied to me and he stole the gun?"

Orv Reichert

Johnny Peppers · 01-09-2002, 01:32 AM

And it wasn't even a Remington Rand frame, as Brig. Gen. Guy H. Drewry was the officer in charge of inspection for the Springfield Ordnance District. Colt was the only 1911A1 pistol his initials will be found on, but they will also be found on the Winchester M1 Rifle and M1 Carbine, and the Underwood M1 Carbine. His initials indicate that the weapon had passed all ordnance inspections, and was accepted by the US Government by his authority.

Orv Reichert · 01-09-2002, 11:10 PM

Two more B.S. gun stories!

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My wife and I were at a small city Museum.[Quicy CA] The lady running it offered to show me a new treasure just acquired...a Luger Pistol taken from a WW-1 German pilot who had been shot down between the lines.

The father of a local farmer had captured the pilot and kept the pistol. The son had just donated it to the museum with a letter giving all this exciting historical information.

The Luger was a .30 cal 1923 Commercial model.

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At a show in Cal, Seller had a nice P38 with holster and a notarized letter from the GI stating that he had taken it from an officer when he captured him during the Allied invasion of North Africa In 1942.

The gun was a BYF44

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Lonnie Zimmerman · 01-09-2002, 11:44 PM

Great stories.

01-10-2002, 12:01 AM

I love these stories too!

Sometimes it is being mixed up and sometimes those ^&*^#$% and %&^*^%&* buggers.

Ed

01-10-2002, 08:58 AM

Orv,

I loved the one about the byf44! This is typical for someone who knows nothing about history. At least if you are going to make up a story, make sure all the historical data is correct. HA, HA, HA, this is great.

I know this has been discussed before, but the proliferation of the "Capture Papers" for pistols is making all of them suspect now. The one guy who has original blanks and will use a WWII typewriter to fill in the info is the worst one yet and he advertised them on e-bay. This is out and out fraud!

Marvin C.

01-10-2002, 10:23 AM

Orv & Marvin, I had an elderly gent approach me at a recent show with the P38 that he had "liberated" during WW2. He was the right age, but his P38 was a postwar alloy framed clearly marked "66" (1966) on the right slide. For Orv's data base: AC/45 recent import with frame #8456C,Slide #6503C and barrel #5672C. Factory mismatch? Tom h

Orv Reichert · 01-11-2002, 04:10 AM

Thanks for the data, Tom.

These guns with SN above 2000-C are mostly Mismatched and were assembled at the plant for the GI's after the occupation started in the spring of '45. almost all are C-D block parts with just a few E block parts showing up from time to time.

Orv Reichert

01-08-2002, 05:14 PM	#1
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	POO POO DEL TORO STORIES ! My very favorite story about the 'TAKEN OFF THE STILL WARM BODY OF AN 'SS' OFFICER" happened to me about 15 years ago. I was contacted by a man who had P08 for sale! I ran right over to Benicia and low and behold...he brought out a Nambu T14 holster [canvas type]. After hearing the story about it being taken off the body of the SS officer, ...I said. "That is a Jap holster!" Without blinking an eye...the seller said, "I didn't know the SS used Jap Holsters?" The guy then told me how he wanted big bucks for the gun. I said ..How Much'...he said $500 but make an offer? Finally, he handed me the holster/gun.....would you believe and absolutely MINT 100% 1906 .30 cal Com'l? Not Germany marked... So, being a nice guy, I offered $450 if he included the holster.......! I had troubles walking out with the rig without doing a dance while singing and shouting!!!! you can see a photo of the same gun on page 633-634 of the STANDARD CATALOG OF FIREARMS 11th edition. Orv Reichert

01-08-2002, 06:17 PM	#2
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: POO POO DEL TORO STORIES ! That IS a rare find. Not too many 1906 Commercials were ever issued with a Type 14 Nambu holster (especially the canvas type). You did good Orv.

01-08-2002, 10:46 PM	#3
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	B.S. STORIES ! Another one...American, this time. A guy had a really nice Remington Rand .45 1911a1 for sale. He said it had been 'awarded by the Navy' to his dad at the end of WW-2....for his service in the Navy.. and, dad brought it home in 1945. He pointed with pride to the inspectors intials GHD and said his dad said that means GOVLERNMENT HONOR DEVICE. That voided the U S GOVERNMENT PROPERTY stamped on it, I guess? When I showed him that the GHD was inspectors intials in Clauson's Book, he said "I guess dad lied to me and he stole the gun?" Orv Reichert

01-09-2002, 01:32 AM	#4
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: B.S. STORIES ! And it wasn't even a Remington Rand frame, as Brig. Gen. Guy H. Drewry was the officer in charge of inspection for the Springfield Ordnance District. Colt was the only 1911A1 pistol his initials will be found on, but they will also be found on the Winchester M1 Rifle and M1 Carbine, and the Underwood M1 Carbine. His initials indicate that the weapon had passed all ordnance inspections, and was accepted by the US Government by his authority.

01-10-2002, 12:01 AM	#7
66mustang Guest Posts: n/a	Re: STORIES ! I love these stories too! Sometimes it is being mixed up and sometimes those ^&^#$% and %&^^%&* buggers. Ed

01-09-2002, 11:10 PM	#5
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	STORIES ! Two more B.S. gun stories! ---------------------------------------------- My wife and I were at a small city Museum.[Quicy CA] The lady running it offered to show me a new treasure just acquired...a Luger Pistol taken from a WW-1 German pilot who had been shot down between the lines. The father of a local farmer had captured the pilot and kept the pistol. The son had just donated it to the museum with a letter giving all this exciting historical information. The Luger was a .30 cal 1923 Commercial model. ---------------- At a show in Cal, Seller had a nice P38 with holster and a notarized letter from the GI stating that he had taken it from an officer when he captured him during the Allied invasion of North Africa In 1942. The gun was a BYF44 ======================

01-09-2002, 11:44 PM	#6
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: STORIES ! Great stories.

01-10-2002, 08:58 AM	#8
Marvin C. Guest Posts: n/a	Re: STORIES ! Orv, I loved the one about the byf44! This is typical for someone who knows nothing about history. At least if you are going to make up a story, make sure all the historical data is correct. HA, HA, HA, this is great. I know this has been discussed before, but the proliferation of the "Capture Papers" for pistols is making all of them suspect now. The one guy who has original blanks and will use a WWII typewriter to fill in the info is the worst one yet and he advertised them on e-bay. This is out and out fraud! Marvin C.

01-10-2002, 10:23 AM	#9
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: STORIES ! Orv & Marvin, I had an elderly gent approach me at a recent show with the P38 that he had "liberated" during WW2. He was the right age, but his P38 was a postwar alloy framed clearly marked "66" (1966) on the right slide. For Orv's data base: AC/45 recent import with frame #8456C,Slide #6503C and barrel #5672C. Factory mismatch? Tom h

01-11-2002, 04:10 AM	#10
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	AC45 M/M Thanks for the data, Tom. These guns with SN above 2000-C are mostly Mismatched and were assembled at the plant for the GI's after the occupation started in the spring of '45. almost all are C-D block parts with just a few E block parts showing up from time to time. Orv Reichert