Blueprints

xavier85 · 02-04-2010, 08:14 AM

Help
I am french and i am searching parabellum blueprints. To make complete pistol or remove a "arme démilitarisée".

I'm very happy if somebody could speaking french.

Thank's

John Sabato · 02-04-2010, 08:24 AM

xavier85,

I sell the complete Luger P.08 blueprints that have been digitized into high quality images on a CD. The price for this CD sent to France via first class mail is $28.00 USD via paypal. If you are interested, please send me a Private Message by clicking on my name at the left of this posting, and I will send you the correct information for the paypal payment.

tomaustin · 02-04-2010, 08:52 PM

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mvray · 02-19-2010, 06:04 AM

To all
I was fortunate enough to order from Mr. Sabato the machine drawings of our favorite hand gun. What I received was beyond any expectations! I work as a Machined Parts Inspector at a major aircraft manufacturer, so I know what I say in telling you Mr. Sabato has done a wonderful job of restoring these drawings. Having worked with many, many old hand drawn blueprints I can only imagine how much effort went into cleaning up these drawings.
Now let me make a comment to the fellow machinist reading this, these are machine drawings for us, not parts diagrams for people to look up names and locations of parts. To everyone else order these for no other reason than the historic value, and you could print some really cool wall hangings.
Thank you Mr. Sabato for all your effort

sheepherder · 02-19-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mvray

Now let me make a comment to the fellow machinist reading this, these are machine drawings for us, not parts diagrams for people to look up names and locations of parts.

I have a machine tools background, and studied drafting at university. I still have problems reading these drawings, because I was not raised in that culture at that time speaking that language. Simply translating the words is not sufficient; you need to live the life to understand the mindset behind the words. Anyone with teenage children knows these problems. Even something as seemingly simple as a set of blueprints needs a translation to be understood.

The Metric system is a whole 'nother set of headaches, to us that were raised on the Inch system. It even affects tolerances. Metric tolerances can be greater or less than a comparable Inch tolerance, but are definitely different. Clearances the same.

I find that names I routinely use are not the same as their German equivalents, and other parts that I identify differently have that name...(if you can follow that)...

Having notes on the prints helps somewhat, but it is still a struggle (for me) to translate these prints into something I can actually use.

Just my $.02 for the day...

mvray · 03-13-2010, 03:26 PM

Just thought I would drop a note in to tell John that I just used his blue prints! I have a DWM I swapped a buddy for that I am rebuilding. I needed the complete firing pin assy (pin spring and guide), a complete side plate, and trigger and spring as well as the main toggle pin to pin the toggle assy to the upper, as the Germans call it the der starke verbindungsbolzen

Unfortunately some fine person who had possession of her in the past had beat the ever loving snot out of her and rolled a burr over into the ID, sorry Inside Diameter I forgot I am not at work. If that were not abuse enough someone did the worst job of nickel plating I have ever seen, there must have been .002 of nickel on her in places AND under that was copper, why I have no clue, I guess they thought the nickel needed primer. After spending 3 days in the Brownell's nickel striper and 2 days in ammonia and hydrogen peroxide, both of these operations should have taken a couple of hours at most, there is still residual plating in the hole.
Anyway this is all to say, when the pin did not enter the hole and I saw the problem; I checked Johns wonderfully clean drawings to discover the diameter should be 7.2mm +.02mm/-.00mm with a pin diameter of 7.18mm +.00mm/-.05mm.
I just got off MSC's website and ordered a reamer in 7.02, by Wednesday that little problem will be solved!

Thanks John

mvray · 03-13-2010, 04:10 PM

Rich
I thought I would add, that the translation of these drawings is quite challenging and difficult; I do not want to leave the impression otherwise. I have discovered a wonder resource that is a great aid in this endeavor, that being the Google Books site. I have found a German English technical dictionary written in 1910 (actually several) and a similarly dated book on the manufacture of steel. Being a loco that likes staying up into the wee hours beating my head against a computer screen helps a lot too

02-04-2010, 08:14 AM	#1
xavier85 New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chantonnay vendée france Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Blueprints Help I am french and i am searching parabellum blueprints. To make complete pistol or remove a "arme démilitarisée". I'm very happy if somebody could speaking french. Thank's

02-04-2010, 08:24 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	xavier85, I sell the complete Luger P.08 blueprints that have been digitized into high quality images on a CD. The price for this CD sent to France via first class mail is $28.00 USD via paypal. If you are interested, please send me a Private Message by clicking on my name at the left of this posting, and I will send you the correct information for the paypal payment. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-04-2010, 08:52 PM	#3
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	i have john's set and they are teriffic......tom .....

03-13-2010, 03:26 PM	#6
mvray New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ft Worth Texas Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Johns BPs Just thought I would drop a note in to tell John that I just used his blue prints! I have a DWM I swapped a buddy for that I am rebuilding. I needed the complete firing pin assy (pin spring and guide), a complete side plate, and trigger and spring as well as the main toggle pin to pin the toggle assy to the upper, as the Germans call it the der starke verbindungsbolzen Unfortunately some fine person who had possession of her in the past had beat the ever loving snot out of her and rolled a burr over into the ID, sorry Inside Diameter I forgot I am not at work. If that were not abuse enough someone did the worst job of nickel plating I have ever seen, there must have been .002 of nickel on her in places AND under that was copper, why I have no clue, I guess they thought the nickel needed primer. After spending 3 days in the Brownell's nickel striper and 2 days in ammonia and hydrogen peroxide, both of these operations should have taken a couple of hours at most, there is still residual plating in the hole. Anyway this is all to say, when the pin did not enter the hole and I saw the problem; I checked Johns wonderfully clean drawings to discover the diameter should be 7.2mm +.02mm/-.00mm with a pin diameter of 7.18mm +.00mm/-.05mm. I just got off MSC's website and ordered a reamer in 7.02, by Wednesday that little problem will be solved! Thanks John

02-19-2010, 06:04 AM	#4
mvray New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ft Worth Texas Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To all I was fortunate enough to order from Mr. Sabato the machine drawings of our favorite hand gun. What I received was beyond any expectations! I work as a Machined Parts Inspector at a major aircraft manufacturer, so I know what I say in telling you Mr. Sabato has done a wonderful job of restoring these drawings. Having worked with many, many old hand drawn blueprints I can only imagine how much effort went into cleaning up these drawings. Now let me make a comment to the fellow machinist reading this, these are machine drawings for us, not parts diagrams for people to look up names and locations of parts. To everyone else order these for no other reason than the historic value, and you could print some really cool wall hangings. Thank you Mr. Sabato for all your effort

03-13-2010, 04:10 PM	#7
mvray New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ft Worth Texas Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rich I thought I would add, that the translation of these drawings is quite challenging and difficult; I do not want to leave the impression otherwise. I have discovered a wonder resource that is a great aid in this endeavor, that being the Google Books site. I have found a German English technical dictionary written in 1910 (actually several) and a similarly dated book on the manufacture of steel. Being a loco that likes staying up into the wee hours beating my head against a computer screen helps a lot too