Germany still uses Kar 98k as parade gun

alvin · 01-31-2010, 08:49 AM

Saw a few 2008 pictures on the information super highway. The new uniform cannot compare with old ones, but the gun is still Kar 98k.

Looks like this C&R will stay. How come no swords....

sheepherder · 01-31-2010, 09:22 AM

US Marine ceremonial unit at 8th & I use the M1 Garand...Many parade units still use M1 Garand, or even Springfield 03A3...

Why??? I have absolutely no idea...

FNorm · 01-31-2010, 09:45 AM

Well they look more proper/classy than the black plastic poodle popper. Interestingly, most parade Garands have about one half inch cut off the butt. Better balance?

FN

suum cuique · 01-31-2010, 02:42 PM

but it is true.
A few years ago there was a "scandal" in Germany because of these K98k.
Some of them had still WW2 proof markings. After an idiot of the Wachbataillon told this to somebody of the press, you could read in German headlines that NAZI SYMBOLS are still used in the German Army.
After this big "scandal" they removed all rifles with old proof markings from the current service in the Wachbataillon. Now the Bundeswehr is political correct....

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-9221356.html

Don M · 01-31-2010, 05:00 PM

Have you ever tried a Queen Anne's Salute with an M16?

Douglas Jr. · 02-02-2010, 10:04 AM

I don't like berets either...
But the 98K still rules (together with its old counterparts, M1903 Springfield and M1 Garands).
Shame that don't use them with the bayo's on.

Douglas

alterfritz · 02-02-2010, 05:27 PM

Yep I think a 98K just looks better than this one

. At least you can rest it on your shoulder, just looks better at a parade

7th_son · 02-02-2010, 07:04 PM

Mauser Karabiner 98 kurz is still one of the best rifles, but here we have situation, when these rifles are use for parade, so in my opinion they can use black powder matchlock rifles as good as Kar98k, because it's only parade.

alvin · 03-01-2010, 06:25 AM

They are not German, but looks more ..... [insert a adjective here]

Jack Lawman · 03-01-2010, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

They are not German, but looks more .....

... like Texans preparing to secede! Things are worse than I imagined. Lot of C&R's down there

.

alanint · 03-01-2010, 08:42 AM

Tha last three photos are from Chile. I lived there over three years. They still goose step when raising and lowering the flag outside the Moneda Palace every day.

My Wife's father and uncle were both Chilean Coronels. I have several uniforms and acoutriments, which are very similar to the German WW2 models. The military academy still parades with authentic WW1 Pickelhaubs!! I have one of these spiked helmets, purchased by Chile from Germany prior to WW1. They are in excellent shape, having been cared for constantly since new. The Chilean crest plate can be removed from the front and a WW1 German plate pops right into the same holes. I also have the rarer "Penacho" or extention, which screws to the spike's base after removing the spike. This extension then has the plumes, which attach to the top. You will see many WW1 photos of German and Austrian officials wearing these plumed extentions on their Pickelhaubs.

Conny · 03-01-2010, 10:28 AM

I was assigned with the 3rd US Infantry, "The Old Guard", in Washington, DC doing ceremonies for military and civilian organizations. I was a Color Team Sgt.
The major problem with any new weapon is the magazine well. It doesn't sit in the shoulder socket correctly so it looks shoddy when performing the manual-at-arms. The M16 is a short weapon. To be in the Old Guard, you must be over 6'3" and with the M16 at order-arms, the stretch was excessive. The Company used the M14 and as Color Team Sgt. during presentations, my guards used the 75cal. British Brown Bess. Yes, I wore the colonial uniform for my 2 year assignment.

suum cuique · 03-01-2010, 10:55 AM

used "German style" helmets, too. A long time ago.
And Egypt used the "German style" helmet for its honor guard, too.

01-31-2010, 08:49 AM	#1
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Germany still uses Kar 98k as parade gun Saw a few 2008 pictures on the information super highway. The new uniform cannot compare with old ones, but the gun is still Kar 98k. Looks like this C&R will stay. How come no swords.... Attached Images

01-31-2010, 02:42 PM	#4
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	You won't believe this but it is true. A few years ago there was a "scandal" in Germany because of these K98k. Some of them had still WW2 proof markings. After an idiot of the Wachbataillon told this to somebody of the press, you could read in German headlines that NAZI SYMBOLS are still used in the German Army. After this big "scandal" they removed all rifles with old proof markings from the current service in the Wachbataillon. Now the Bundeswehr is political correct.... http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-9221356.html __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

01-31-2010, 05:00 PM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Have you ever tried a Queen Anne's Salute with an M16? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

02-02-2010, 05:27 PM	#7
alterfritz User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: California Posts: 63 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Yep I think a 98K just looks better than this one . At least you can rest it on your shoulder, just looks better at a parade Attached Thumbnails

02-02-2010, 07:04 PM	#8
7th_son User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mauser Karabiner 98 kurz is still one of the best rifles, but here we have situation, when these rifles are use for parade, so in my opinion they can use black powder matchlock rifles as good as Kar98k, because it's only parade. Last edited by 7th_son; 02-02-2010 at 07:09 PM. Reason: + some words

01-31-2010, 09:22 AM	#2
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,195 Thanks: 1,413 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	US Marine ceremonial unit at 8th & I use the M1 Garand...Many parade units still use M1 Garand, or even Springfield 03A3... Why??? I have absolutely no idea...

01-31-2010, 09:45 AM	#3
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Well they look more proper/classy than the black plastic poodle popper. Interestingly, most parade Garands have about one half inch cut off the butt. Better balance? FN

02-02-2010, 10:04 AM	#6
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	I don't like berets either... But the 98K still rules (together with its old counterparts, M1903 Springfield and M1 Garands). Shame that don't use them with the bayo's on. Douglas

03-01-2010, 06:25 AM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	They are not German, but looks more ..... [insert a adjective here] Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

03-01-2010, 08:42 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Tha last three photos are from Chile. I lived there over three years. They still goose step when raising and lowering the flag outside the Moneda Palace every day. My Wife's father and uncle were both Chilean Coronels. I have several uniforms and acoutriments, which are very similar to the German WW2 models. The military academy still parades with authentic WW1 Pickelhaubs!! I have one of these spiked helmets, purchased by Chile from Germany prior to WW1. They are in excellent shape, having been cared for constantly since new. The Chilean crest plate can be removed from the front and a WW1 German plate pops right into the same holes. I also have the rarer "Penacho" or extention, which screws to the spike's base after removing the spike. This extension then has the plumes, which attach to the top. You will see many WW1 photos of German and Austrian officials wearing these plumed extentions on their Pickelhaubs.

03-01-2010, 10:28 AM	#12
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	I was assigned with the 3rd US Infantry, "The Old Guard", in Washington, DC doing ceremonies for military and civilian organizations. I was a Color Team Sgt. The major problem with any new weapon is the magazine well. It doesn't sit in the shoulder socket correctly so it looks shoddy when performing the manual-at-arms. The M16 is a short weapon. To be in the Old Guard, you must be over 6'3" and with the M16 at order-arms, the stretch was excessive. The Company used the M14 and as Color Team Sgt. during presentations, my guards used the 75cal. British Brown Bess. Yes, I wore the colonial uniform for my 2 year assignment. __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

03-01-2010, 10:55 AM	#13
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Taiwan used "German style" helmets, too. A long time ago. And Egypt used the "German style" helmet for its honor guard, too. __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)