Any reliable modern Lugers being made?

Johnson184 · 01-10-2010, 02:10 AM

Hi all,
I'm obviously new here, but I've always had a special love for Lugers. I don't have a huge budget, but I'm still looking for an excellent condition Luger that is reliable and accurate. (I know, sounds like it'd be expensive)

I was just wondering if there's a company that manufactures Lugers today in 9mm. As much as I appreciate the history of the firearm, it's really not a necessity. I honestly appreciate amazing condition, reliability, and accuracy more.

Thanks all! (Oh, and price estimates would be welcome)

alvin · 01-10-2010, 06:44 AM

Virtually NIB post war Interarms Mauser 9m/m Luger should be able to fulfill this goal. It's around $1k. Considering a new Glock also asking $400+, an all-steel discontinued Mauser with $1k price tag is not bad at all. I had an Interarms and fired many rounds from it, it's reliable and accurate.

There are also many pre-1945 9m/m Lugers in spendid 98% condition. I mean original condition, not restored. Those are traditional collector items, and cost more. If have $2k or more to put into one, for example "byf", acquisition is not hard nowadays.

Johnson184 · 01-10-2010, 08:01 AM

Could you point me in the direction of where to buy one? I'm trying to google some pictures up, but they all look kinda different.

Oh... and just curious.... what is the trigger pull weight on these Lugers?

alvin · 01-10-2010, 08:20 AM

Amazingly, despite the very short trigger moving distance, the trigger pull on Luger is not as light as it looks. I have not gotten a trigger pull gauge to measure the value yet.

Searching "Interarms Mauser" on gunbroker.com. At this moment, I saw one:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=152763483

Or, post a WTB ad in the forum, with condition, price range specified.

If 7,65 can be considered as well, here is a good DWM made in 1920s:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=153374794

alvin · 01-10-2010, 08:38 AM

There are also a bunch of Lugers on conventional auction. Probably the price will be high, but if you don't win it, it costs you nothing. If no one else wants it, you could get it. Very flexible.

Like a black one?
http://www.gregmartinauctions.com/Au...px?LotID=23613

rockislandauction.com also has many guns for sell in their incoming regional auction. Most of those are pure shooters, usually bundled into groups for selling.

The supply is BIG.

Johnson184 · 01-10-2010, 09:00 AM

Thanks! Oh, and what's this about Swiss or German mauser ones? What are the differences, and how can you tell them apart?

sheepherder · 01-10-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnson184

Thanks! Oh, and what's this about Swiss or German mauser ones? What are the differences, and how can you tell them apart?

Are you asking about the Interarms/Mauser Lugers??? A quick & dirty answer is Swiss pattern have no stock lug; German pattern do...Swiss has grip safety; Not on German (IIRC)...

Johnson184 · 01-10-2010, 09:09 AM

Oh ok. This "may" be my last question lol. Which is a more popular barrel length? 4" or 6"? Any reasons?

alvin · 01-10-2010, 09:29 AM

6" Interarms demands a little bit more money, not for that extra 2" raw material, but fewer was made. How could it be very popular if not many were made?

Personally, I like 4" better. Not too long, not too short, not too heavy, and not too light.

Johnson184 · 01-10-2010, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Amazingly, despite the very short trigger moving distance, the trigger pull on Luger is not as light as it looks. I have not gotten a trigger pull gauge to measure the value yet.

Searching "Interarms Mauser" on gunbroker.com. At this moment, I saw one:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=152763483

Or, post a WTB ad in the forum, with condition, price range specified.

If 7,65 can be considered as well, here is a good DWM made in 1920s:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=153374794

So is that a Swiss version since it has a grip safety?

alvin · 01-10-2010, 09:57 AM

I heard that Mauser lost their equipments and bought Swiss machinary in 1960s. So German of new era carries a Swiss appearance. The grip safety was not Swiss invention, old DWM had grip safety as well. What unique to Swiss pattern are the ugly triangle-like grip and over-simplified thumb safety level, etc. There are small amount of Interarms having conventional German style grip but those also demands more money on the market.

Edward Tinker · 01-10-2010, 10:00 AM

I would sit and read through the forum for many of these questions; then look at the sites that sell guns on the left; etc, read the FAQ, before jumping into anything.

And if buying an older one, buy books first.

Ed

Johnson184 · 01-10-2010, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

I heard that Mauser lost their equipments and bought Swiss machinary in 1960s. So German of new era carries a Swiss appearance. The grip safety was not Swiss invention, old DWM had grip safety as well. What unique to Swiss pattern are the ugly triangle-like grip and over-simplified thumb safety level, etc. There are small amount of Interarms having conventional German style grip but those also demands more money on the market.

Any chance you could tell me where I can find pictures showing the difference?

alvin · 01-10-2010, 11:01 AM

Sure. Simpson Lab has many pictures. You can compare them.

Link: Simpson Lab

And, please pay attention to their classification, you will get used to those terms, American Eagle, Banner, Erfurt, Simson etc, etc. So, some time later, when people talking about he/she saw a G Date in a store, we knew which variation was addressed, and roughly how it should look like even if no picture was posted.

Johnson184 · 01-10-2010, 11:32 AM

Thanks!

Are there any compatability problems between an Interarms Mauser Luger and Mec Gar magazines?

I'm obviously new here, but I got a ton of reading to do lol.

FNorm · 01-10-2010, 11:38 AM

The variance in trigger pull is amazing. Most lugers that I have are a fairly strong pull. Let's say over 3 lbs. although I've never measured them.

BUT I have one 1914 Erfurt Artil, that is outstanding. I've spent a lot of $$$ to get some modern triggers to that perfection. About 2-2.5 and crisp!

FN

alvin · 01-10-2010, 11:44 AM

You got me. I have never heard of "Mec Gar". I assume it's an aftermarket one? IMO, never mind. It's very unusual to find an Interarms without magazine. Acquiring an Interarms does not require much reading, there is not much published on it either. It serves the purpose of finding how Luger works. Not many guns work on toggle.

Johnson184 · 01-10-2010, 10:52 PM

Ya, Mec Gar is aftermarket, but they make the factory mags for companies like Colt and Sig Sauer. They're considered very high quality and for most guns, as good as factory if not better. I noticed a few of them available for Lugers so my it piqued my interest.

Just wondering... how rare/common are WW2 era German lugers that are reblued but in great condition? I honestly don't mind if it isn't original finish, just as long as it's almost as good as new with great reliability/accuracy. How much would I be looking at $$ wise?

alvin · 01-11-2010, 12:40 AM

Unless being a rare K Date, refurbished Mauser typically goes under $1k. Reliability and accuracy has no warranty. To be fair, many original guns have not been fired for decades, inspection does not allow test firing, so you don't know.

I would say buying at least one original Mauser for shooting. $1.5-$2k. Not cheap, but fun of shooting original guns is bigger than shooting modified guns. If deeply worry you could damage it, buy a pair, shoot one and keep one in safe.

sheepherder · 01-11-2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnson184

I honestly don't mind if it isn't original finish, just as long as it's almost as good as new with great reliability/accuracy.

The problem with re-bluing (IMO) is the buffing that many if not all re-bluers think they have to do to the pistol...Lugers, Walthers, Nambus etc should have tool marks on them; and sharp edges; and crisp blend lines; buffing them to a high gloss gives them a "melted" look that greatly detracts from the aesthetics and value of the pistol...

IMHO, a buffed and re-blued Luger is a $300 - $400 Luger, at best...

01-10-2010, 02:10 AM	#1
Johnson184 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any reliable modern Lugers being made? Hi all, I'm obviously new here, but I've always had a special love for Lugers. I don't have a huge budget, but I'm still looking for an excellent condition Luger that is reliable and accurate. (I know, sounds like it'd be expensive) I was just wondering if there's a company that manufactures Lugers today in 9mm. As much as I appreciate the history of the firearm, it's really not a necessity. I honestly appreciate amazing condition, reliability, and accuracy more. Thanks all! (Oh, and price estimates would be welcome)

01-10-2010, 10:00 AM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	I would sit and read through the forum for many of these questions; then look at the sites that sell guns on the left; etc, read the FAQ, before jumping into anything. And if buying an older one, buy books first. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-10-2010, 11:38 AM	#16
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	The variance in trigger pull is amazing. Most lugers that I have are a fairly strong pull. Let's say over 3 lbs. although I've never measured them. BUT I have one 1914 Erfurt Artil, that is outstanding. I've spent a lot of $$$ to get some modern triggers to that perfection. About 2-2.5 and crisp! FN Last edited by FNorm; 01-10-2010 at 11:39 AM. Reason: gram

01-10-2010, 06:44 AM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Virtually NIB post war Interarms Mauser 9m/m Luger should be able to fulfill this goal. It's around $1k. Considering a new Glock also asking $400+, an all-steel discontinued Mauser with $1k price tag is not bad at all. I had an Interarms and fired many rounds from it, it's reliable and accurate. There are also many pre-1945 9m/m Lugers in spendid 98% condition. I mean original condition, not restored. Those are traditional collector items, and cost more. If have $2k or more to put into one, for example "byf", acquisition is not hard nowadays.

01-10-2010, 08:01 AM	#3
Johnson184 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Could you point me in the direction of where to buy one? I'm trying to google some pictures up, but they all look kinda different. Oh... and just curious.... what is the trigger pull weight on these Lugers?

01-10-2010, 08:20 AM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Amazingly, despite the very short trigger moving distance, the trigger pull on Luger is not as light as it looks. I have not gotten a trigger pull gauge to measure the value yet. Searching "Interarms Mauser" on gunbroker.com. At this moment, I saw one: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=152763483 Or, post a WTB ad in the forum, with condition, price range specified. If 7,65 can be considered as well, here is a good DWM made in 1920s: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=153374794

01-10-2010, 08:38 AM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	There are also a bunch of Lugers on conventional auction. Probably the price will be high, but if you don't win it, it costs you nothing. If no one else wants it, you could get it. Very flexible. Like a black one? http://www.gregmartinauctions.com/Au...px?LotID=23613 rockislandauction.com also has many guns for sell in their incoming regional auction. Most of those are pure shooters, usually bundled into groups for selling. The supply is BIG.

01-10-2010, 09:00 AM	#6
Johnson184 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks! Oh, and what's this about Swiss or German mauser ones? What are the differences, and how can you tell them apart?

01-10-2010, 09:09 AM	#8
Johnson184 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh ok. This "may" be my last question lol. Which is a more popular barrel length? 4" or 6"? Any reasons?

01-10-2010, 09:29 AM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	6" Interarms demands a little bit more money, not for that extra 2" raw material, but fewer was made. How could it be very popular if not many were made? Personally, I like 4" better. Not too long, not too short, not too heavy, and not too light.

01-10-2010, 09:57 AM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I heard that Mauser lost their equipments and bought Swiss machinary in 1960s. So German of new era carries a Swiss appearance. The grip safety was not Swiss invention, old DWM had grip safety as well. What unique to Swiss pattern are the ugly triangle-like grip and over-simplified thumb safety level, etc. There are small amount of Interarms having conventional German style grip but those also demands more money on the market.

01-10-2010, 11:01 AM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Sure. Simpson Lab has many pictures. You can compare them. Link: Simpson Lab And, please pay attention to their classification, you will get used to those terms, American Eagle, Banner, Erfurt, Simson etc, etc. So, some time later, when people talking about he/she saw a G Date in a store, we knew which variation was addressed, and roughly how it should look like even if no picture was posted.

01-10-2010, 11:32 AM	#15
Johnson184 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks! Are there any compatability problems between an Interarms Mauser Luger and Mec Gar magazines? I'm obviously new here, but I got a ton of reading to do lol.

01-10-2010, 11:44 AM	#17
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	You got me. I have never heard of "Mec Gar". I assume it's an aftermarket one? IMO, never mind. It's very unusual to find an Interarms without magazine. Acquiring an Interarms does not require much reading, there is not much published on it either. It serves the purpose of finding how Luger works. Not many guns work on toggle.

01-10-2010, 10:52 PM	#18
Johnson184 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ya, Mec Gar is aftermarket, but they make the factory mags for companies like Colt and Sig Sauer. They're considered very high quality and for most guns, as good as factory if not better. I noticed a few of them available for Lugers so my it piqued my interest. Just wondering... how rare/common are WW2 era German lugers that are reblued but in great condition? I honestly don't mind if it isn't original finish, just as long as it's almost as good as new with great reliability/accuracy. How much would I be looking at $$ wise?

01-11-2010, 12:40 AM	#19
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Unless being a rare K Date, refurbished Mauser typically goes under $1k. Reliability and accuracy has no warranty. To be fair, many original guns have not been fired for decades, inspection does not allow test firing, so you don't know. I would say buying at least one original Mauser for shooting. $1.5-$2k. Not cheap, but fun of shooting original guns is bigger than shooting modified guns. If deeply worry you could damage it, buy a pair, shoot one and keep one in safe.