New pics on the New Collectors Forum

gearheadbill · 01-04-2010, 10:20 PM

Hello. I have added some new pics to my 'Newboy with questions' thread on the New Collectors Forum. Please enjoy.

gearheadbill · 01-07-2010, 04:37 PM

I'll add the pictures here. Is Simpson's REALLY the place to go for an honest evaluation and appraisal?

gearheadbill · 01-07-2010, 04:39 PM

A few more

gearheadbill · 01-07-2010, 04:42 PM

When I first posted here using some not-to-clear pics, Mr. Ron Wood commented that perhaps the members of this board could help me establish value vs. an "official" appraisal from Simpson's or the like. Any input appreciated. Thanks

Norme · 01-07-2010, 04:48 PM

Hi Bill, Simpsons is far and away the biggest Luger dealer in the U.S. and, as such, an appraisal from them would carry the most weight with your insurance company. Several of this forum's members could tell you what your gun is worth but that's not what you need. Regards, Norm

Edward Tinker · 01-07-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gearheadbill

I'll add the pictures here. Is Simpson's REALLY the place to go for an honest evaluation and appraisal?

why wouldn't they be? There are lots of folks who can give you an appraisel. Is this for you to just find out about it, or to sell or for insurance? (most guns in my opinion aren't worth putting on as a seperate rider)

Ed

PS: Since I searched for the other thread, I see that folks thought this was worth a lot. I think its valuable, but not as much as they stated. But sending it to be appraised is one way, Simpson's charges for this and you pay shipping both ways, but this is a good way for you to find out what its worth.

FNorm · 01-07-2010, 05:32 PM

Great pics, of a beautiful piece.

FN

Lugerdoc · 01-08-2010, 08:31 AM

Beutiful M1900AE. Almost too perfect for a 100+ year old gun. If it turns out to be a restoration, that will have an impact on it's value. Unless you need a written appraisal for insurance purposed, I would think that you could learn a lot, walking it around one of the larger gun shows in your area and see what kind of offers you get and then doubling the average as a retail replacement price. TH

gearheadbill · 01-08-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

Beutiful M1900AE. Almost too perfect for a 100+ year old gun. If it turns out to be a restoration, that will have an impact on it's value. Unless you need a written appraisal for insurance purposed, I would think that you could learn a lot, walking it around one of the larger gun shows in your area and see what kind of offers you get and then doubling the average as a retail replacement price. TH

I sincerely appreciate your comments. I know that all you have is my word BUT...I guarantee that this gun has never had any work, of any kind, ever done to it. It has been in my family since who knows when and I personally know it's history since the early 50's. It came to my dad from my grandfather along with several other interesting guns. One of which is a Parker Bros. double CHE grade which I used for hunting from 1957-1974. Thanks again.

gearheadbill · 01-08-2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

Beutiful M1900AE. Almost too perfect for a 100+ year old gun. If it turns out to be a restoration, that will have an impact on it's value. Unless you need a written appraisal for insurance purposed, I would think that you could learn a lot, walking it around one of the larger gun shows in your area and see what kind of offers you get and then doubling the average as a retail replacement price. TH

Sorry...forgot to ask. Isn't there a large gun show soon in Las Vegas? Seems like it might be worth the cheap airfare etc. to get this done.

Edward Tinker · 01-08-2010, 11:05 AM

Bill, You can use google; do a search of gun shows and whatever state and that would show you where local shows are.

BE ADVISED; That Unless you take it to luger guys, you will get all kinds of wild estimates, most completely wrong, either waaaaaaay too high or waaaay to low.

Thus, why Bob Simpson was mentioned, they deal in lots of guns, but know their lugers. As do many members here.

Also, again no offense, but restorers have worked for years and if the gun was made in 1901 or 1902, there is a period of 50 yrs where you know nothing about the gun. That said, a restore that was done 50 yrs ago will show patina...

I think its probably right as rain, but we as collectors run across guns alll the time that are boosted and restored. all the time/././././

Heck, I am no expert, but I am pretty darn good and the company me and Tom runs can do appraisals. Any in person appraisal costs around $100 plus your shipping.

Ed

gearheadbill · 01-08-2010, 03:40 PM

Ed,

If you want to send me info as to ship to address, turn around time etc.. in a PM, or here on the board, I would appreciate having same.

I really do need to have the gun looked at by experts. Thanks.

Bill

Mike Jones · 01-08-2010, 04:12 PM

Bill,

The Show in Las Vegas is next week at the Riveria Hotel. I have had a few Lugers in my hands over the years. Yours does not look restored or refinished at all.

Regards,
Mike Jones

Ron Wood · 01-08-2010, 06:59 PM

It is always difficult to tell from photos, but from what I can see I agree with Mike, your gun does not look restored.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-08-2010, 09:03 PM

Your pistol looks right as rain to me. The last thing I would do with it is let a bunch of gun show yahoos get their paws all over it. maybe drop it on a concrete floor. NO WAY! Best way to get it screwed up I think. I have seen too many boneheads mistreat fine antique weapons. I once saw a guy who knew Lugers slip a wood bottom mag into the pistol and then slap it into the pistol with the heel of his hand like you see in the movies! Needless to say.. I immediately grabbed it away from him.

Jerry Burney

MFC · 01-09-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I once saw a guy who knew Lugers slip a wood bottom mag into the pistol and then slap it into the pistol with the heel of his hand like you see in the movies!
Jerry Burney

A policeman checking the firearms at the door of a gunshow I attended did that to one of my Lugers. The wood bottom split. Half of the wood bottom and the spring flew out on the floor. I politely explained to him that it was over a hundred years old, and NOT a Glock. I picked up the parts and walked away.

gearheadbill · 01-10-2010, 11:53 AM

Thanks for all the advice. I need it obviously. I am going to send it to Simpsons for appraisal and authentification.

alvin · 01-10-2010, 01:17 PM

TIG welding was not perfected until 1941. Initially, the then new technology cost a lot, obviously not an option for Luger restoration at that time. I would think it's impossible to do lots of magic without appropiate tools. Say, the gun was excellent before 1950, and grandpa loved home amateur gunsmithing, so rebluing for no reason? Highly unlikely. Even if he did, how professional the job could possibly look like? That's the context.

Post war has many possibilities, but Bill knows it's recent 50 years. And the gun itself looks great. If a gun can be restored to this shape, I accept it.

Please let us know what Simpson says.

gearheadbill · 01-11-2010, 05:09 PM

Thanks and will do. Waiting for call back from brother-in-law who is an avid gun collector/police officer. I need someone with an FFL/C&R to finalize shipping prior to sending it out.

tudorbug · 01-11-2010, 06:59 PM

I wonder, is an FFL or C&R needed to sent it to Simpson's for appraisal? The pistol would return to you and their would be no change in ownership.

Very kindly, David

01-04-2010, 10:20 PM	#1
gearheadbill User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New pics on the New Collectors Forum Hello. I have added some new pics to my 'Newboy with questions' thread on the New Collectors Forum. Please enjoy.

01-07-2010, 04:37 PM	#2
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01-08-2010, 08:31 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Beutiful M1900AE. Almost too perfect for a 100+ year old gun. If it turns out to be a restoration, that will have an impact on it's value. Unless you need a written appraisal for insurance purposed, I would think that you could learn a lot, walking it around one of the larger gun shows in your area and see what kind of offers you get and then doubling the average as a retail replacement price. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-08-2010, 11:05 AM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Bill, You can use google; do a search of gun shows and whatever state and that would show you where local shows are. BE ADVISED; That Unless you take it to luger guys, you will get all kinds of wild estimates, most completely wrong, either waaaaaaay too high or waaaay to low. Thus, why Bob Simpson was mentioned, they deal in lots of guns, but know their lugers. As do many members here. Also, again no offense, but restorers have worked for years and if the gun was made in 1901 or 1902, there is a period of 50 yrs where you know nothing about the gun. That said, a restore that was done 50 yrs ago will show patina... I think its probably right as rain, but we as collectors run across guns alll the time that are boosted and restored. all the time/././././ Heck, I am no expert, but I am pretty darn good and the company me and Tom runs can do appraisals. Any in person appraisal costs around $100 plus your shipping. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-07-2010, 04:42 PM	#4
gearheadbill User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	When I first posted here using some not-to-clear pics, Mr. Ron Wood commented that perhaps the members of this board could help me establish value vs. an "official" appraisal from Simpson's or the like. Any input appreciated. Thanks

01-07-2010, 04:48 PM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Bill, Simpsons is far and away the biggest Luger dealer in the U.S. and, as such, an appraisal from them would carry the most weight with your insurance company. Several of this forum's members could tell you what your gun is worth but that's not what you need. Regards, Norm

01-07-2010, 05:32 PM	#7
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Great pics, of a beautiful piece. FN

01-08-2010, 03:40 PM	#12
gearheadbill User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, If you want to send me info as to ship to address, turn around time etc.. in a PM, or here on the board, I would appreciate having same. I really do need to have the gun looked at by experts. Thanks. Bill

01-08-2010, 04:12 PM	#13
Mike Jones User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Torrance, Calif. Posts: 67 Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Bill, The Show in Las Vegas is next week at the Riveria Hotel. I have had a few Lugers in my hands over the years. Yours does not look restored or refinished at all. Regards, Mike Jones

01-08-2010, 06:59 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	It is always difficult to tell from photos, but from what I can see I agree with Mike, your gun does not look restored. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-08-2010, 09:03 PM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Your pistol looks right as rain to me. The last thing I would do with it is let a bunch of gun show yahoos get their paws all over it. maybe drop it on a concrete floor. NO WAY! Best way to get it screwed up I think. I have seen too many boneheads mistreat fine antique weapons. I once saw a guy who knew Lugers slip a wood bottom mag into the pistol and then slap it into the pistol with the heel of his hand like you see in the movies! Needless to say.. I immediately grabbed it away from him. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-10-2010, 11:53 AM	#17
gearheadbill User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the advice. I need it obviously. I am going to send it to Simpsons for appraisal and authentification.

01-10-2010, 01:17 PM	#18
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	TIG welding was not perfected until 1941. Initially, the then new technology cost a lot, obviously not an option for Luger restoration at that time. I would think it's impossible to do lots of magic without appropiate tools. Say, the gun was excellent before 1950, and grandpa loved home amateur gunsmithing, so rebluing for no reason? Highly unlikely. Even if he did, how professional the job could possibly look like? That's the context. Post war has many possibilities, but Bill knows it's recent 50 years. And the gun itself looks great. If a gun can be restored to this shape, I accept it. Please let us know what Simpson says.

01-11-2010, 05:09 PM	#19
gearheadbill User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks and will do. Waiting for call back from brother-in-law who is an avid gun collector/police officer. I need someone with an FFL/C&R to finalize shipping prior to sending it out.

01-11-2010, 06:59 PM	#20
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	I wonder, is an FFL or C&R needed to sent it to Simpson's for appraisal? The pistol would return to you and their would be no change in ownership. Very kindly, David