1917 DWM Artillery Luger Restoration-BAD BAD DOG-YIKES!! - Page 2

Volltreffer · 09-05-2009, 01:36 AM

Thor,

First post. Have seen your work. It's incredible what you do; really blessed. Glad to see you back at it.

Good health,

Brent

worldoftone · 09-16-2009, 11:50 AM

Awesome work !

- WOT

Conny · 09-16-2009, 05:54 PM

There is no greater thrill for me than to witness a mans talents and Mastery of his chosen profession. Especially if that profession is a hobby. The P-38 indicates the attention to detail with an eye on Historical significance during restoration. To many, a firearm is just that and History means nothing to them. It's just a gun to shoot (my future son-in-law is that type person). When I see work superbly completed, it makes my eyes tear. My eyes are wet now looking at the P-38. The dedication, research, time and patience involved is far beyond my abilities. I have never met Thor but have seen the results of his work many times. The same can be said about Jerry Burney. I have never met Jerry but have conversed on the phone a few times and seen his Mastery of Leather. Both these men are a tribute to a slowly dieing profession. Their talent amazes me and I'm proud to be associated with them. Even if only in LugerForum.

suum cuique · 11-21-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Conny

There is no greater thrill for me than to witness a mans talents and Mastery of his chosen profession. Especially if that profession is a hobby. The P-38 indicates the attention to detail with an eye on Historical significance during restoration. To many, a firearm is just that and History means nothing to them. It's just a gun to shoot (my future son-in-law is that type person). When I see work superbly completed, it makes my eyes tear. My eyes are wet now looking at the P-38. The dedication, research, time and patience involved is far beyond my abilities. I have never met Thor but have seen the results of his work many times. The same can be said about Jerry Burney. I have never met Jerry but have conversed on the phone a few times and seen his Mastery of Leather. Both these men are a tribute to a slowly dieing profession. Their talent amazes me and I'm proud to be associated with them. Even if only in LugerForum.

For some guys guns are just there to shoot and cars just there to drive. Like the restoration of an old classic car, the restoration of a gun needs a lot of passion, professionality, experience and the love for details, too.
I love both: Old cars and old guns.

Thor · 11-29-2009, 10:55 AM

Tom Armstrong was mentioned in the General Discussions section, he is ill and from what I gather improving, great news!

That reminds me a few years ago, Tom sent me a bad 1915 DWM Weimar Police Luger to work over. It was pitted everywhere.

Here are a few photos of its journey through TLC. Repo police holster by CMR out of Great Britain.

Hawkeye · 12-05-2009, 05:39 PM

Hi new guy Question here . Years ago i was around a lot of the Oil Fields Off Shore Drilling Operations and the machine shops associated with that Industry.
I saw one of the machinist on his off time use one of the lathes and Mills to help him restore an old 1886 Winchester Rifle barreled receiver, that was pitted as bad ,or worse than that Luger was in those Photos.
He first at cleaned it down to the bare metal and then used a Metalizeing Gun on it ,That device fires a composite of powdered Metal that is the same Rockwell Hardness as the work .
The work is grounded, and the metal from the gun sparks like tiny welding sparks when it hits the work area.
Its used to build up Bearing surfaces that are in a place where not a lot of heat can be used ,and it leaves a uniform area to re-bore the race.
Of course the entire area where its placed has to be milled back down then to Factory Specs .But to my question ,have any of you seen this done to a Luger or a C96 ?
It worked wonderfully on that Winchester Rifle , and the re-blue was uniform and not splotchy.

MFC · 12-05-2009, 09:40 PM

Is a"Metalizeing Gun" the same thing as a plasma welder?

Hawkeye · 12-06-2009, 12:17 AM

No , i thought that also when i first heard of one . This thing came with a spindle you mounted in the lathe chuck , it had slip rings in it so you didn't tack or spark through the bearings of the lathe.
The Rifle this guy was repairing went into the spindle that had four independent jaws so it would hold just about anything supported by the tail stock on the other end .
It had a little hopper on top of the gun where he poured the Metal crystals into ,along with some powder he had to mix in with it ,Flux i think.
He could then set it to spay as many thousands of an inch he wanted it to do by the amount it sprayed, along with how hot it needed to be .
It looked like a Sparkler you would see on the 4th of July when it hit the rifle surface.
He put about 1/6th of an inch on it because some of the pits were to deep to cover .
He said you could use one of these on a table top if you didn't want it to rotate.
But after he milled the receiver back down to specs , you couldn't tell it had ever had the pits in it ,and it wasn't all that hot so it wouldn't warp on him.

MFC · 12-07-2009, 12:48 AM

Neat!! I'm just curious, how much does one cost?

Hawkeye · 12-11-2009, 02:23 AM

Sorry MFC , i just got back on line because of a job i was on.
I called the owner of the machine shop and asked him about the cost on one of the Machines he had . He said that the one he has is to large to be doing a firearm and the guy who did the rifle had it turned all the way down.
His cost his shop $12,000.00 , it was built in Germany by Vorden Industries and it will do any metal you needed to do including Brass, but not Aluminum.
He called it a" Plasma Core Arch Metalizer " and it payed for itself the first week he had it.
Miller is supposed to be building one if they haven't already , and their smaller one is recommended for Guns and small Projects, and its supposed to come in at $1,100.00.
The bad part is that Two pounds of the Powered Metal and Flux mix cost $350.00 , but a pistol like a luger wouldn't need all that much to repair i wouldn't think.
The Machinist also told me he used it on a 1911 that some clown sand blasted with a grit so course it looked like it melted the metal.
The little parts were toast ,but he saved the slide and the receiver ,but he had to use emery cloth on it where the Ser # was . He thought it was illegal to weld over that number and then try to build it into a working fire arm again.
It wasn't perfect but it did look pretty good after that.

09-16-2009, 05:54 PM	#23
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	There is no greater thrill for me than to witness a mans talents and Mastery of his chosen profession. Especially if that profession is a hobby. The P-38 indicates the attention to detail with an eye on Historical significance during restoration. To many, a firearm is just that and History means nothing to them. It's just a gun to shoot (my future son-in-law is that type person). When I see work superbly completed, it makes my eyes tear. My eyes are wet now looking at the P-38. The dedication, research, time and patience involved is far beyond my abilities. I have never met Thor but have seen the results of his work many times. The same can be said about Jerry Burney. I have never met Jerry but have conversed on the phone a few times and seen his Mastery of Leather. Both these men are a tribute to a slowly dieing profession. Their talent amazes me and I'm proud to be associated with them. Even if only in LugerForum. __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

11-29-2009, 10:55 AM	#25
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Tom Armstrong was mentioned in the General Discussions section, he is ill and from what I gather improving, great news! That reminds me a few years ago, Tom sent me a bad 1915 DWM Weimar Police Luger to work over. It was pitted everywhere. Here are a few photos of its journey through TLC. Repo police holster by CMR out of Great Britain. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-05-2009, 09:40 PM	#27
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Is a"Metalizeing Gun" the same thing as a plasma welder? __________________ Mike C.

12-07-2009, 12:48 AM	#29
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Neat!! I'm just curious, how much does one cost? __________________ Mike C.

09-05-2009, 01:36 AM	#21
Volltreffer User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thor, First post. Have seen your work. It's incredible what you do; really blessed. Glad to see you back at it. Good health, Brent

09-16-2009, 11:50 AM	#22
worldoftone User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 81 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Awesome work ! - WOT

12-05-2009, 05:39 PM	#26
Hawkeye User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi new guy Question here . Years ago i was around a lot of the Oil Fields Off Shore Drilling Operations and the machine shops associated with that Industry. I saw one of the machinist on his off time use one of the lathes and Mills to help him restore an old 1886 Winchester Rifle barreled receiver, that was pitted as bad ,or worse than that Luger was in those Photos. He first at cleaned it down to the bare metal and then used a Metalizeing Gun on it ,That device fires a composite of powdered Metal that is the same Rockwell Hardness as the work . The work is grounded, and the metal from the gun sparks like tiny welding sparks when it hits the work area. Its used to build up Bearing surfaces that are in a place where not a lot of heat can be used ,and it leaves a uniform area to re-bore the race. Of course the entire area where its placed has to be milled back down then to Factory Specs .But to my question ,have any of you seen this done to a Luger or a C96 ? It worked wonderfully on that Winchester Rifle , and the re-blue was uniform and not splotchy.

12-06-2009, 12:17 AM	#28
Hawkeye User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No , i thought that also when i first heard of one . This thing came with a spindle you mounted in the lathe chuck , it had slip rings in it so you didn't tack or spark through the bearings of the lathe. The Rifle this guy was repairing went into the spindle that had four independent jaws so it would hold just about anything supported by the tail stock on the other end . It had a little hopper on top of the gun where he poured the Metal crystals into ,along with some powder he had to mix in with it ,Flux i think. He could then set it to spay as many thousands of an inch he wanted it to do by the amount it sprayed, along with how hot it needed to be . It looked like a Sparkler you would see on the 4th of July when it hit the rifle surface. He put about 1/6th of an inch on it because some of the pits were to deep to cover . He said you could use one of these on a table top if you didn't want it to rotate. But after he milled the receiver back down to specs , you couldn't tell it had ever had the pits in it ,and it wasn't all that hot so it wouldn't warp on him.

12-11-2009, 02:23 AM	#30
Hawkeye User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry MFC , i just got back on line because of a job i was on. I called the owner of the machine shop and asked him about the cost on one of the Machines he had . He said that the one he has is to large to be doing a firearm and the guy who did the rifle had it turned all the way down. His cost his shop $12,000.00 , it was built in Germany by Vorden Industries and it will do any metal you needed to do including Brass, but not Aluminum. He called it a" Plasma Core Arch Metalizer " and it payed for itself the first week he had it. Miller is supposed to be building one if they haven't already , and their smaller one is recommended for Guns and small Projects, and its supposed to come in at $1,100.00. The bad part is that Two pounds of the Powered Metal and Flux mix cost $350.00 , but a pistol like a luger wouldn't need all that much to repair i wouldn't think. The Machinist also told me he used it on a 1911 that some clown sand blasted with a grit so course it looked like it melted the metal. The little parts were toast ,but he saved the slide and the receiver ,but he had to use emery cloth on it where the Ser # was . He thought it was illegal to weld over that number and then try to build it into a working fire arm again. It wasn't perfect but it did look pretty good after that.