Artillery rig- need pics - Page 2

laoshi75 · 11-20-2009, 04:03 AM

Mauro, the characteristics of the AWM are well known, this is not the problem. I just say that these 3 holsters do not have the characteristics of the AWM. Have a look at the close up photo below, don't you see something strange with the side of the flap ? and, once again, they are strangely all made for belt use.

George Anderson · 11-20-2009, 06:32 AM

The holsters are not AWM. They may very well be studio props supplied by the photographer.

klaus 3338 · 11-20-2009, 10:04 AM

George, - studio props- I think you got a hit.

mauro · 11-20-2009, 12:29 PM

Yaa guys, I am getting old,
The flap is definitely different from the Eugen Huber. The pin seems missing.

What it is bad now is that I have to find at list one to complete my holster collection!

MFC · 11-21-2009, 12:26 AM

Here is a scan of the belt carry straps Jerry mentioned.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-21-2009, 12:31 AM

Mike, YUP! Those are them...

Jerry Burney

alanint · 11-21-2009, 06:32 AM

Where these straps marked in any way??

What is the best means for determining originality, as they seem to be an easy item to knock off convincingly?

laoshi75 · 11-21-2009, 09:13 AM

Doug,

Look also at these photos. The first one is the back of a LP08 1914 dated holster.
On the second and third photos, you can see how the holster can be hung directly at the belt with its board stock: the flap of the holster (attached on the board stock) wraps round the belt (hope it's the correct english word).
christian

lugerholsterrepair · 11-21-2009, 11:13 AM

Where these straps marked in any way??

What is the best means for determining originality, as they seem to be an easy item to knock off convincingly?

These are not marked. They were an expedient item, likely field made. They would have used the two shoulder strap adjustment studs for a pair of these. Finding an accurate couple of these studs is a tad difficult. Crap repro's are everywhere but good studs...originals are impossible. I had a few made up in steel awhile back but they are quite expensive. I use them on Artillery shoulder straps I make.

Jerry Burney

HuntMaster · 11-21-2009, 10:46 PM

Thanks for the help, guys. I got it figured out, the straps were all in a tangle and I had to re-group.
I really have enjoyed the WWI pics you all have posted.

Derek

klaus 3338 · 11-22-2009, 02:54 AM

Christian´s (2.) photo is showing how the LP08 holster/stock combi was to use: straps over the left shoulder and the leather of the stock attached with the belt (on the right hip) (die Pistolentasche wird am Trageriemen über die linke Schulter getragen und mit dem Deckelriemen am Koppel befestigt). It´s No. 3 of the 5.5.1914 dated "letter" of the Kriegsministerium which is shown here as a copy.

11-20-2009, 04:03 AM	#21
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 491 Thanks: 288 Thanked 98 Times in 42 Posts	Mauro, the characteristics of the AWM are well known, this is not the problem. I just say that these 3 holsters do not have the characteristics of the AWM. Have a look at the close up photo below, don't you see something strange with the side of the flap ? and, once again, they are strangely all made for belt use. Attached Images

11-20-2009, 12:29 PM	#24
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Yaa guys, I am getting old, The flap is definitely different from the Eugen Huber. The pin seems missing. What it is bad now is that I have to find at list one to complete my holster collection! __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

11-21-2009, 12:26 AM	#25
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Here is a scan of the belt carry straps Jerry mentioned. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mike C.

11-21-2009, 12:31 AM	#26
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Mike, YUP! Those are them... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-21-2009, 09:13 AM	#28
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 491 Thanks: 288 Thanked 98 Times in 42 Posts	Doug, Look also at these photos. The first one is the back of a LP08 1914 dated holster. On the second and third photos, you can see how the holster can be hung directly at the belt with its board stock: the flap of the holster (attached on the board stock) wraps round the belt (hope it's the correct english word). christian Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

11-20-2009, 06:32 AM	#22
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	The holsters are not AWM. They may very well be studio props supplied by the photographer.

11-20-2009, 10:04 AM	#23
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	George, - studio props- I think you got a hit.

11-21-2009, 06:32 AM	#27
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Where these straps marked in any way?? What is the best means for determining originality, as they seem to be an easy item to knock off convincingly?

11-21-2009, 11:13 AM	#29
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Where these straps marked in any way?? What is the best means for determining originality, as they seem to be an easy item to knock off convincingly? These are not marked. They were an expedient item, likely field made. They would have used the two shoulder strap adjustment studs for a pair of these. Finding an accurate couple of these studs is a tad difficult. Crap repro's are everywhere but good studs...originals are impossible. I had a few made up in steel awhile back but they are quite expensive. I use them on Artillery shoulder straps I make. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-21-2009, 10:46 PM	#30
HuntMaster User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks for the help, guys. I got it figured out, the straps were all in a tangle and I had to re-group. I really have enjoyed the WWI pics you all have posted. Derek

11-22-2009, 02:54 AM	#31
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	Christian´s (2.) photo is showing how the LP08 holster/stock combi was to use: straps over the left shoulder and the leather of the stock attached with the belt (on the right hip) (die Pistolentasche wird am Trageriemen über die linke Schulter getragen und mit dem Deckelriemen am Koppel befestigt). It´s No. 3 of the 5.5.1914 dated "letter" of the Kriegsministerium which is shown here as a copy.