luger 1915 - Page 2

klaus 3338 · 06-22-2009, 11:54 AM

Roc, I must say sorry because I donÂ´t really mention that your Luger is 1915 dated. So itÂ´s nonsense with the Landau list because this list is dated 1914- at that time your Luger was not "born"!
About the history of your gun: The 3. Chevaulegers regiment was part of the 3. Bavarian Infanterie Division and fought at the Western front in Flandern, Ypres, Wytschaete in 1914; Flandern, Artois and Arras in 1915, at the Somme in 1916, in Flandern and Champage in 1917 and the Great Battle in France in 1918.
Regards Klaus

roc · 06-22-2009, 12:00 PM

Hi guys . I sure am learning alot. here are some more pics. i bought this gun about thirty five yrs ago. i have shot a couple of mags about ten yrs ago and it has been hanging in a gun cabinet ever since. i paid four hundred dollars. I would estimate the finish as being 97% on both the bluing and the straw. what do you think it would be worth? I know youare going to tell me that the gun would have to be taken apart and scutenized. guestimate. i only took it apart once to clean it after shooting. if the gun is worth some money I would hate to take it apart for fear of breaking something. I would also like some history on it if possible. I have another luger that I bought about 35 yrs ago. it is a commercial job though and I think its in bad shape. I will start anew thread on that one. thanks again for any help or info you guys can provide.

klaus 3338 · 06-22-2009, 12:14 PM

A beauty!
Do you mentioned that the breech block has the Erfurt power proof mark (as all other DWM 1915, too) while barrel and receiver have the Spandau (DWM) power proof stamp?
I like all the unit marked guns, special the cavalry unit marked.
Thanks for sharing!

Ron Wood · 06-22-2009, 12:31 PM

Klaus,
I think Alf is asking what the letters D.V.E. represent. I assume the "D" possibly means "Deutsch" or "Direktion"? You have already indicated that it is the “order for stamping the handgun”.

klaus 3338 · 06-22-2009, 02:11 PM

Ah, D.V.E. means (preuÃ?isches) Druck- Vorschriften- Etat translatet about print(ed)- direction or instruction- budget. I hope it is correct! As I always say: my problems with the English.

roc · 06-22-2009, 02:29 PM

klaus I looked at the proof marks that I had downloaded and the proof marks on the reciever are dmw german military 1914 to1918 the one on the breechlock is german military found only on the breechlock 1914 to 1918. also can you tell me what the chevaulers regement was. was it calvery?

A.Mifsin · 06-22-2009, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

Ah, D.V.E. means (preuÃ?isches) Druck- Vorschriften- Etat translatet about print(ed)- direction or instruction- budget. I hope it is correct! As I always say: my problems with the English.

Thank you klaus 3338, and thank you Ron for helping out

Alf.

Ron Wood · 06-22-2009, 02:38 PM

Klaus,
Your English is a lot better than my German!

Probably an approximation in English would be "Budget Directive Number 185, 1909, Instructions for Handgun Marking". It seems odd that handgun marking instructions would be a budget item. Was it issued by the Finanzministerium or by another government agency and the "Etat" might actually be "Etatsjhar" (fiscal year) for that agency?

klaus 3338 · 06-22-2009, 02:47 PM

Ron, I think enumeration or specification is the meaning of Etat in this case.
The Etatjahr or fiscal year was during Imperial time from the 1. April to the 30. March of the next year.

Ron Wood · 06-22-2009, 03:17 PM

Thank you Klaus. "Specification" makes a lot more sense than "budget".

Roc,
Ron Smith posted earlier that the Chevaulegers were light cavalry (note the spelling of cavalry, it is a common mis-spelling...I do it myself sometimes).

klaus 3338 · 06-22-2009, 05:07 PM

Ron, thank you for the correction. Prussian Hussars are a "bit" like the Bavarian Chevaulegers. Here is a photo. Two on the right side of the photo have a Luger in their holsters.
Regards Klaus

roc · 06-22-2009, 05:08 PM

thank you for the correction ron. it seems that klaus is not the only one with bad english

Ron Wood · 06-22-2009, 09:07 PM

roc,
Please do not take offense. Neither you or Klaus have "bad" English (particularly Klaus since his native language is German, his English is extremly good). I was not criticizing as I have made the same mistake (and many others

) in the past. It is more a typographical thing than bad English.

roc · 06-22-2009, 09:32 PM

no offense taken. I made a bad joke. sorry to you and klaus.

Ron Wood · 06-22-2009, 09:49 PM

No need to be sorry. I think I will quit before I write something else dumb

!

roc · 06-23-2009, 11:32 AM

ron I thank you for all your help and klaus I hope I did not insult you. you have been a lot of help to me and I look forward to talking with you again. thank you.

Ron Smith · 06-23-2009, 11:37 AM

Ah come on Ron,

Write something else dumb.

'nother Ron

06-22-2009, 12:31 PM	#24
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	Klaus, I think Alf is asking what the letters D.V.E. represent. I assume the "D" possibly means "Deutsch" or "Direktion"? You have already indicated that it is the “order for stamping the handgun”. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-22-2009, 02:38 PM	#28
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	Klaus, Your English is a lot better than my German! Probably an approximation in English would be "Budget Directive Number 185, 1909, Instructions for Handgun Marking". It seems odd that handgun marking instructions would be a budget item. Was it issued by the Finanzministerium or by another government agency and the "Etat" might actually be "Etatsjhar" (fiscal year) for that agency? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-22-2009, 03:17 PM	#30
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	Thank you Klaus. "Specification" makes a lot more sense than "budget". Roc, Ron Smith posted earlier that the Chevaulegers were light cavalry (note the spelling of cavalry, it is a common mis-spelling...I do it myself sometimes). __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-22-2009, 09:07 PM	#33
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	roc, Please do not take offense. Neither you or Klaus have "bad" English (particularly Klaus since his native language is German, his English is extremly good). I was not criticizing as I have made the same mistake (and many others ) in the past. It is more a typographical thing than bad English. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-22-2009, 09:49 PM	#35
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	No need to be sorry. I think I will quit before I write something else dumb ! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-22-2009, 11:54 AM	#21
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 524 Thanks: 0 Thanked 432 Times in 165 Posts	Roc, I must say sorry because I donÂ´t really mention that your Luger is 1915 dated. So itÂ´s nonsense with the Landau list because this list is dated 1914- at that time your Luger was not "born"! About the history of your gun: The 3. Chevaulegers regiment was part of the 3. Bavarian Infanterie Division and fought at the Western front in Flandern, Ypres, Wytschaete in 1914; Flandern, Artois and Arras in 1915, at the Somme in 1916, in Flandern and Champage in 1917 and the Great Battle in France in 1918. Regards Klaus

06-22-2009, 12:14 PM	#23
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 524 Thanks: 0 Thanked 432 Times in 165 Posts	A beauty! Do you mentioned that the breech block has the Erfurt power proof mark (as all other DWM 1915, too) while barrel and receiver have the Spandau (DWM) power proof stamp? I like all the unit marked guns, special the cavalry unit marked. Thanks for sharing!

06-22-2009, 02:11 PM	#25
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 524 Thanks: 0 Thanked 432 Times in 165 Posts	Ah, D.V.E. means (preuÃ?isches) Druck- Vorschriften- Etat translatet about print(ed)- direction or instruction- budget. I hope it is correct! As I always say: my problems with the English.

06-22-2009, 02:29 PM	#26
roc User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	klaus I looked at the proof marks that I had downloaded and the proof marks on the reciever are dmw german military 1914 to1918 the one on the breechlock is german military found only on the breechlock 1914 to 1918. also can you tell me what the chevaulers regement was. was it calvery?

06-22-2009, 02:47 PM	#29
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 524 Thanks: 0 Thanked 432 Times in 165 Posts	Ron, I think enumeration or specification is the meaning of Etat in this case. The Etatjahr or fiscal year was during Imperial time from the 1. April to the 30. March of the next year.

06-22-2009, 05:08 PM	#32
roc User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you for the correction ron. it seems that klaus is not the only one with bad english

06-22-2009, 09:32 PM	#34
roc User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	no offense taken. I made a bad joke. sorry to you and klaus.

06-23-2009, 11:32 AM	#36
roc User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ron I thank you for all your help and klaus I hope I did not insult you. you have been a lot of help to me and I look forward to talking with you again. thank you.

06-23-2009, 11:37 AM	#37
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ah come on Ron, Write something else dumb. 'nother Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...