Gun Show Luger

FNorm · 06-11-2009, 08:04 PM

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At the Tanner Show in Denver I picked up an Erfurt 1914. All numbers match, including grips, and one magazine. In excellent shape. I thought at first, re-blued, but there are halos around the numbers. Interestingly, it has an unrelieved sear. Now this was corrected in 1916, so the gun may have already been captured by then, or at least never made it back to the armory (?)

Two questions: First the rear toggle pin is not stamped or proofed. It is worn, and has an odd bluish cast to it. Almost iridescent. Color changes with the angle of the light. Front pin is the same way,

The wood bottom of the matching mag is chipped, and crumbling. Fix or leave it as it is?

FN

Ice · 06-11-2009, 08:07 PM

Norm, it sounds like an interesting 1914 Erfurt. I have one too. Could you please tell - or show - what an unrelieved sear is.

Thank you.

Charlie

FNorm · 06-11-2009, 09:35 PM

With the pistol is normal battery. ie Breech closed. Put the safety on. Does it touch the angle in the sear bar? or is there a gap of about 3-8ths of an inch. If a gap it is relieved, so that it can be cocked with the safety on.

FN

Dwight Gruber · 06-12-2009, 06:24 AM

Norm,

It is not at all unusual for a pre-1916 Imperial Luger to retain its original alter Arte (old-style) sear bar. The rear toggle pin is properly unnumbered and unproofed; the requirement to serial number the part was issued in 1932. Also, the odd blue color is due to the "fire bluing" heat treatment of these parts, and is an indicator of the gun's having its original finish. The sear bar spring, front sight, and grip screws are fire-blued as well, although the finish is not durable and is usually found worn away from the sight and screws.

--Dwight

FNorm · 06-12-2009, 11:29 AM

Thanks, Dwight. I'm new but learning from all youse guys!

Fn

Ron Wood · 06-12-2009, 03:48 PM

FNorm,
One more point for learning if I may. The purpose of the relieved sear bar is to allow a loaded round to be safely cleared from the chamber with the safety on. The action cannot be cycled with the safety on if it is not already cocked.

FNorm · 06-12-2009, 11:34 PM

Noted and learned, Ron. Thank you. I think what I want to do collecting is each manufacturer, and each 'major' modification. Got two stones with one bird with this one. My first Erfurt, and an unrelieved sear.

I'm having fun....

FN

A.Mifsin · 06-13-2009, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

Norm,

It is not at all unusual for a pre-1916 Imperial Luger to retain its original alter Arte (old-style) sear bar. The rear toggle pin is properly unnumbered and unproofed; the requirement to serial number the part was issued in 1932. Also, the odd blue color is due to the "fire bluing" heat treatment of these parts, and is an indicator of the gun's having its original finish. The sear bar spring, front sight, and grip screws are fire-blued as well, although the finish is not durable and is usually found worn away from the sight and screws.

--Dwight

When you say the front sight also does it means the blade of the front sight ?
Alf.

Dwight Gruber · 06-13-2009, 07:06 PM

Yes

06-11-2009, 08:04 PM	#1
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Gun Show Luger Before you ask, I can't send pics. I have them, but can't get them small enough for this site. If I do they're thumbnails. If you wanna see send me an IM with your e-mail address. At the Tanner Show in Denver I picked up an Erfurt 1914. All numbers match, including grips, and one magazine. In excellent shape. I thought at first, re-blued, but there are halos around the numbers. Interestingly, it has an unrelieved sear. Now this was corrected in 1916, so the gun may have already been captured by then, or at least never made it back to the armory (?) Two questions: First the rear toggle pin is not stamped or proofed. It is worn, and has an odd bluish cast to it. Almost iridescent. Color changes with the angle of the light. Front pin is the same way, The wood bottom of the matching mag is chipped, and crumbling. Fix or leave it as it is? FN

06-12-2009, 03:48 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	FNorm, One more point for learning if I may. The purpose of the relieved sear bar is to allow a loaded round to be safely cleared from the chamber with the safety on. The action cannot be cycled with the safety on if it is not already cocked. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-11-2009, 08:07 PM	#2
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	Norm, it sounds like an interesting 1914 Erfurt. I have one too. Could you please tell - or show - what an unrelieved sear is. Thank you. Charlie

06-11-2009, 09:35 PM	#3
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	With the pistol is normal battery. ie Breech closed. Put the safety on. Does it touch the angle in the sear bar? or is there a gap of about 3-8ths of an inch. If a gap it is relieved, so that it can be cocked with the safety on. FN

06-12-2009, 06:24 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Norm, It is not at all unusual for a pre-1916 Imperial Luger to retain its original alter Arte (old-style) sear bar. The rear toggle pin is properly unnumbered and unproofed; the requirement to serial number the part was issued in 1932. Also, the odd blue color is due to the "fire bluing" heat treatment of these parts, and is an indicator of the gun's having its original finish. The sear bar spring, front sight, and grip screws are fire-blued as well, although the finish is not durable and is usually found worn away from the sight and screws. --Dwight

06-12-2009, 11:29 AM	#5
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Thanks, Dwight. I'm new but learning from all youse guys! Fn

06-12-2009, 11:34 PM	#7
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Noted and learned, Ron. Thank you. I think what I want to do collecting is each manufacturer, and each 'major' modification. Got two stones with one bird with this one. My first Erfurt, and an unrelieved sear. I'm having fun.... FN

06-13-2009, 07:06 PM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Yes