Trying to find info on new luger purchase

Steinar · 03-26-2009, 04:03 AM

Speaking of military ammunition..
We (as in the Norwegian Army) has now replaced the regular Nato rounds with "environmental friendly" non-lead core bullets. Let's call them 7.62mmBellona, 9mmBellona and 5.56mmBellona from the organization who pushed trough that lead bullet's should no longer be allowed. (They deserve to be connected to this little story)

There are so many downsides with this new ammunition, I don't know where to start..
-It's a health hazard for those shooting them. I have fired about 100k 7.62Nato rounds over the years, and never had a headache after a day at the range. But one day with 2-300 rounds of this non-lead ammunition, made my head pounding. It is believed to come from the gasses, many experience nausea or headache the following day(s).
-They are loaded 'too hot' and make all of our weapon types less reliable. MG's has blown up, MP5 (the locking plate for these rolls get's beaten up and falls out) and even the trusty A3and Glock some times fail on these. Our new rifle however, the H416 seems to handle the ammunition quite well.
-They wreck the bore, especially on the Glock
-They are far more expensive
-Less precise
But what frustrates me the most, is that without proper testing, they send 300k of this x.xxBellona **** directly down to Afghanistan to be used in combat by our fighting forces. Luckily the guys there decided (as with anything else that is unknown) to test it thoroughly before use. They experienced that several rounds didn't going off, some was too weak to cycle properly and MG's blew up. At least one soldier was injured by this..

btw. This has nothing to do with military ammunition, but lead shotgun ammunition is also prohibited here in Norway, for environmental reasons. I'm a hunter and find this a very ironic. I have wounded so many birds by using steel, that I just don't have the conscience to use it any more. Hunters have been wounded by ricochets and it's a question of time before a shotgun will blow up by the increased pressure.

Sorry if my outburst was somewhat off topic

03-26-2009, 04:03 AM	#22
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Speaking of military ammunition.. We (as in the Norwegian Army) has now replaced the regular Nato rounds with "environmental friendly" non-lead core bullets. Let's call them 7.62mmBellona, 9mmBellona and 5.56mmBellona from the organization who pushed trough that lead bullet's should no longer be allowed. (They deserve to be connected to this little story) There are so many downsides with this new ammunition, I don't know where to start.. -It's a health hazard for those shooting them. I have fired about 100k 7.62Nato rounds over the years, and never had a headache after a day at the range. But one day with 2-300 rounds of this non-lead ammunition, made my head pounding. It is believed to come from the gasses, many experience nausea or headache the following day(s). -They are loaded 'too hot' and make all of our weapon types less reliable. MG's has blown up, MP5 (the locking plate for these rolls get's beaten up and falls out) and even the trusty A3and Glock some times fail on these. Our new rifle however, the H416 seems to handle the ammunition quite well. -They wreck the bore, especially on the Glock -They are far more expensive -Less precise But what frustrates me the most, is that without proper testing, they send 300k of this x.xxBellona **** directly down to Afghanistan to be used in combat by our fighting forces. Luckily the guys there decided (as with anything else that is unknown) to test it thoroughly before use. They experienced that several rounds didn't going off, some was too weak to cycle properly and MG's blew up. At least one soldier was injured by this.. btw. This has nothing to do with military ammunition, but lead shotgun ammunition is also prohibited here in Norway, for environmental reasons. I'm a hunter and find this a very ironic. I have wounded so many birds by using steel, that I just don't have the conscience to use it any more. Hunters have been wounded by ricochets and it's a question of time before a shotgun will blow up by the increased pressure. Sorry if my outburst was somewhat off topic __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane