1917-1920 police

dirtmover · 01-22-2009, 01:41 PM

here is my luger to match up with Carls.
Tell me what you can. Thanks.

Don M · 01-22-2009, 06:10 PM

Very nice. Does this pistol have matching mags numbered 1 and 2?

dirtmover · 01-22-2009, 06:18 PM

yes they do. one mag. has a circle with a triangle, inside
the triangle is an "s".(mag.#1)
Any idea why there are no unit markings?

policeluger · 01-22-2009, 07:24 PM

Dirtmover....it is a Simpson commercial mag....very nice

Edward Tinker · 01-22-2009, 07:47 PM

Very interesting.

I'd love to see the bases of the magazines. I am not disagreeing with Howard, but I call them replacement magazines, made for the commerical market. Since they were only selling lugers to the army and police in the Weimar period, I assume "commericial" meant to the police.

I estimate that only about 30-40% of police guns received "unit markings"

HPWEVER, yours is unit marked, that is the S.P.L. marking, these guns were just marked differently.

ed

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policeluger · 01-22-2009, 08:34 PM

I own a few SPL gun and while all have matching mags, none are the circle tri S......but I have owned a few of the mags, and in dealing over the years with respected collectors, all have concur commercial....they could have been make just for comercial sale of a mag alone...just a poor guess....

dirtmover · 01-22-2009, 10:06 PM

the magazines are all metal,no wood.SN#same as the weapon and stamped 1&2 Only the one has
the mark.
The gun was given to my father about 1946 by a gentleman
that had just come back from the war. It came in a p-38 holster. The color of the holster appears to have been black
but has faded to a strange green. That is all I have one it's
history. The barrel is pristine and appears to have not been fired
vary much. Would it take away from the value if I took it out
and shot it? I have been wanting to for years.
It doe's have a colorful history after my fathers passing.
It went missing after my dad passed away in 1982.
In 2002 I got a call from the local sheriff that they had it.
The local P.D. had it for almost as long as it was missing
and had no clue how they wound up with it. It was marked for destruction, but the property master refused to, and tracked me down to return it. I got it back in the same condition as it was before it went missing. You have to love those cops some-times.

dirtmover · 01-22-2009, 10:52 PM

here are the clips and holster.

Dwight Gruber · 01-23-2009, 04:10 AM

Walter,

The notch machined into the front of the receiver, above the date, indicates that this was originally a long-barrelled LP08 "Artillery" model. The barrel has been replaced by a standard 4" one. The commercial crown/N stamped on the right side of the receiver suggests that this was done by a non-government gunsmith, and its location suggests that the work was not done near the state proofing office which proofed DWM production in Berlin.

It would be useful to see any other marks on the barrel, and whatever marks might be on the breechblock, as well.

--Dwight

Lugerdoc · 01-23-2009, 10:20 AM

I agree that your luger was probably originally made as an artillery model and was still in military use in 1920 when is was converted to the 4" barrel. Sometime later in the Weimar period it was used by a Saxon police unit and continued in police hands into the Third Reich when the sear safety was added. Lugerdoc

dirtmover · 01-23-2009, 12:22 PM

Here are the stamps on the barral.

dirtmover · 01-23-2009, 12:25 PM

Was the one Carl posted also a converted artillery model?

Don M · 01-23-2009, 02:58 PM

From the photos, Carl's pistol was not an LP08.

tomaustin · 01-24-2009, 04:09 PM

just owning a po8 is just the start. there is so much more hidden in the details...

Douglas Jr. · 01-25-2009, 07:29 AM

The holster is for a P-38 pistol.
But I really loved the whole rig!

Congratulations.

Doug

01-22-2009, 06:10 PM	#2
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Very nice. Does this pistol have matching mags numbered 1 and 2? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-22-2009, 07:47 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,963 Thanks: 2,064 Thanked 4,593 Times in 2,115 Posts	Very interesting. I'd love to see the bases of the magazines. I am not disagreeing with Howard, but I call them replacement magazines, made for the commerical market. Since they were only selling lugers to the army and police in the Weimar period, I assume "commericial" meant to the police. I estimate that only about 30-40% of police guns received "unit markings" HPWEVER, yours is unit marked, that is the S.P.L. marking, these guns were just marked differently. ed weimar_lugers@verizon.net . . __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-22-2009, 10:06 PM	#7
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	mags. the magazines are all metal,no wood.SN#same as the weapon and stamped 1&2 Only the one has the mark. The gun was given to my father about 1946 by a gentleman that had just come back from the war. It came in a p-38 holster. The color of the holster appears to have been black but has faded to a strange green. That is all I have one it's history. The barrel is pristine and appears to have not been fired vary much. Would it take away from the value if I took it out and shot it? I have been wanting to for years. It doe's have a colorful history after my fathers passing. It went missing after my dad passed away in 1982. In 2002 I got a call from the local sheriff that they had it. The local P.D. had it for almost as long as it was missing and had no clue how they wound up with it. It was marked for destruction, but the property master refused to, and tracked me down to return it. I got it back in the same condition as it was before it went missing. You have to love those cops some-times.

01-22-2009, 10:52 PM	#8
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	more pics. here are the clips and holster. Attached Thumbnails

01-23-2009, 10:20 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	I agree that your luger was probably originally made as an artillery model and was still in military use in 1920 when is was converted to the 4" barrel. Sometime later in the Weimar period it was used by a Saxon police unit and continued in police hands into the Third Reich when the sear safety was added. Lugerdoc __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-22-2009, 01:41 PM	#1
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1917-1920 police here is my luger to match up with Carls. Tell me what you can. Thanks. Attached Thumbnails

01-22-2009, 06:18 PM	#3
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yes they do. one mag. has a circle with a triangle, inside the triangle is an "s".(mag.#1) Any idea why there are no unit markings?

01-22-2009, 07:24 PM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Dirtmover....it is a Simpson commercial mag....very nice

01-22-2009, 08:34 PM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I own a few SPL gun and while all have matching mags, none are the circle tri S......but I have owned a few of the mags, and in dealing over the years with respected collectors, all have concur commercial....they could have been make just for comercial sale of a mag alone...just a poor guess....

01-23-2009, 04:10 AM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Walter, The notch machined into the front of the receiver, above the date, indicates that this was originally a long-barrelled LP08 "Artillery" model. The barrel has been replaced by a standard 4" one. The commercial crown/N stamped on the right side of the receiver suggests that this was done by a non-government gunsmith, and its location suggests that the work was not done near the state proofing office which proofed DWM production in Berlin. It would be useful to see any other marks on the barrel, and whatever marks might be on the breechblock, as well. --Dwight

01-23-2009, 12:22 PM	#11
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	barrel marks Here are the stamps on the barral. Attached Thumbnails

01-23-2009, 12:25 PM	#12
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Was the one Carl posted also a converted artillery model?

01-23-2009, 02:58 PM	#13
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	From the photos, Carl's pistol was not an LP08. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-24-2009, 04:09 PM	#14
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	every time i see one of these detailed threads, it shows me how much i have to learn. just owning a po8 is just the start. there is so much more hidden in the details...

01-25-2009, 07:29 AM	#15
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	The holster is for a P-38 pistol. But I really loved the whole rig! Congratulations. Doug