sideplate woes 2

bergwerk · 01-09-2009, 07:13 AM

tried all sorts of ways but this sideplate wont allow the take down lever to lock onto it -even with just the frame , see what you experts think

policeluger · 01-09-2009, 07:38 AM

is the trigger in place?

Lugerdoc · 01-09-2009, 09:43 AM

The "arm" of the side plate appears to be bent up a bit. But the most common reason for the TD lever not wanting to close fully, is that the rear edge of the side plate is not fully seated into the frame. How about a side view, showing the rear of side plate to frame connection. Lugerdoc

bergwerk · 01-09-2009, 11:31 AM

hi police luger and lugerdoc, its exactly the same with trigger assy removed , the rear lip fits in snugly where it meets the grip and also at the frame rail its just at the takedown lever , could the trigger lever be the culprit as it stands proud of the sideplate casing by a bit [2-3 mm], its my only sideplate

John Sabato · 01-09-2009, 11:55 AM

This appears to be a replacement sideplate and possibly even a reproduction sideplate and will require more fitting. Either the sideplate tab is too thick to go under the takedown lever (will have to be thinned down) or the takedown lever is bent toward the frame and won't allow the sideplate lever to go under it... (you can bend it SLIGHTLY up...to try and allow the lever to fit over the sideplate tab.)

The sideplate tab should be a tight but slide fit under the locking takedown lever.

Ron Wood · 01-09-2009, 12:46 PM

Is it possible that the lower arm of the transfer lever is too long? It is hard to tell from the photos provided, but if the top left corner of the side plate is very square and not rounded over it is an early model (1900) side plate. The lower arm of an early model transfer lever is much shorter than a new model. So if you have a new model transfer lever in an old model side plate it might produce what you are seeing.

SIGP2101 · 01-09-2009, 02:34 PM

Find out what is pushing the side plate upwards by eliminating various parts that interfere with plate each time you mate plate with the frame. Once you locate culprit find exact spot and figure out why. I would start first with bare frame with nothing attached to it. Than keep adding parts. If it doesn’t fit right on the frame than you know your answer right away. It is the plate itself. You get idea?

Can you show us a picture of the inside the plate?

Vlim · 01-09-2009, 04:38 PM

Ditch that sideplate and get a proper DWM or Mauser-made example. It'll drop in place without problems. Even the Postwar Mauser Parabellum sideplates won't give you this much trouble.

One thing I've learned after 10 years of restoring cars. Repro usually s*cks.

John Sabato · 01-09-2009, 04:39 PM

I agree with post #6 & 7 above. Remove the L-shaped trigger lever in the sideplate and see if you can satisfactorily install the sideplate... If you can, the lever is incorrect for this sideplate and pistol.

bergwerk · 01-09-2009, 05:35 PM

many thanks to all who replied, ill try the trigger lever check john and go from there but will endeavour to get a correct mauser sideplate , it is arepro plate and i should have known better but original parts are non existant hereabouts . oh well

alanint · 01-09-2009, 10:41 PM

Years ago I bought a replacement repro sideplate from Gun parts Corp. I ran into precisely the trouble that is being described.
After days of working with it I determined that it would literaly require machining to get it to fit. Too much trouble for what it was worth. I ended getting a period replacement side plate and it dropped right in.
The repros literally appear sand cast from a mold taken from an original. Far too out of spec to drop in with mere filling.

bergwerk · 01-11-2009, 03:54 PM

thank you for that alanint sounds like youre spot on , ill go original me thinks cheers and thanks to everyone again for their trusted input

Lugerdoc · 01-14-2009, 09:55 AM

BW, Not all repro side plates are created equal. This one looks a bit crude. I do have a few vg originals available, if you care to order. TH at hellerarms@webtv.net

Vlim · 01-14-2009, 12:40 PM

Tom is correct. I have one of his better reproductions and use it for shooting my LP08, as it's original side plate/trigger lever had a very creepy trigger pull as a bonus. The new plate dropped into place, appears like it has always been there and works like a charm.

bergwerk · 01-14-2009, 03:57 PM

hi lugerdoc thanks for that i have sent you an e/mail .

01-09-2009, 07:13 AM	#1
bergwerk User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: north Posts: 59 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	sideplate woes 2 tried all sorts of ways but this sideplate wont allow the take down lever to lock onto it -even with just the frame , see what you experts think Attached Thumbnails

01-09-2009, 09:43 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	The "arm" of the side plate appears to be bent up a bit. But the most common reason for the TD lever not wanting to close fully, is that the rear edge of the side plate is not fully seated into the frame. How about a side view, showing the rear of side plate to frame connection. Lugerdoc __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-09-2009, 11:31 AM	#4
bergwerk User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: north Posts: 59 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi police luger and lugerdoc, its exactly the same with trigger assy removed , the rear lip fits in snugly where it meets the grip and also at the frame rail its just at the takedown lever , could the trigger lever be the culprit as it stands proud of the sideplate casing by a bit [2-3 mm], its my only sideplate Attached Thumbnails

01-09-2009, 11:55 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	This appears to be a replacement sideplate and possibly even a reproduction sideplate and will require more fitting. Either the sideplate tab is too thick to go under the takedown lever (will have to be thinned down) or the takedown lever is bent toward the frame and won't allow the sideplate lever to go under it... (you can bend it SLIGHTLY up...to try and allow the lever to fit over the sideplate tab.) The sideplate tab should be a tight but slide fit under the locking takedown lever. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-09-2009, 04:39 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I agree with post #6 & 7 above. Remove the L-shaped trigger lever in the sideplate and see if you can satisfactorily install the sideplate... If you can, the lever is incorrect for this sideplate and pistol. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-09-2009, 07:38 AM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	is the trigger in place?

01-09-2009, 12:46 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Is it possible that the lower arm of the transfer lever is too long? It is hard to tell from the photos provided, but if the top left corner of the side plate is very square and not rounded over it is an early model (1900) side plate. The lower arm of an early model transfer lever is much shorter than a new model. So if you have a new model transfer lever in an old model side plate it might produce what you are seeing. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-09-2009, 02:34 PM	#7
SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	Find out what is pushing the side plate upwards by eliminating various parts that interfere with plate each time you mate plate with the frame. Once you locate culprit find exact spot and figure out why. I would start first with bare frame with nothing attached to it. Than keep adding parts. If it doesn’t fit right on the frame than you know your answer right away. It is the plate itself. You get idea? Can you show us a picture of the inside the plate?

01-09-2009, 04:38 PM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ditch that sideplate and get a proper DWM or Mauser-made example. It'll drop in place without problems. Even the Postwar Mauser Parabellum sideplates won't give you this much trouble. One thing I've learned after 10 years of restoring cars. Repro usually s*cks.

01-09-2009, 05:35 PM	#10
bergwerk User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: north Posts: 59 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	many thanks to all who replied, ill try the trigger lever check john and go from there but will endeavour to get a correct mauser sideplate , it is arepro plate and i should have known better but original parts are non existant hereabouts . oh well

01-09-2009, 10:41 PM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Years ago I bought a replacement repro sideplate from Gun parts Corp. I ran into precisely the trouble that is being described. After days of working with it I determined that it would literaly require machining to get it to fit. Too much trouble for what it was worth. I ended getting a period replacement side plate and it dropped right in. The repros literally appear sand cast from a mold taken from an original. Far too out of spec to drop in with mere filling.

01-11-2009, 03:54 PM	#12
bergwerk User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: north Posts: 59 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you for that alanint sounds like youre spot on , ill go original me thinks cheers and thanks to everyone again for their trusted input

01-14-2009, 09:55 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	BW, Not all repro side plates are created equal. This one looks a bit crude. I do have a few vg originals available, if you care to order. TH at hellerarms@webtv.net __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-14-2009, 12:40 PM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Tom is correct. I have one of his better reproductions and use it for shooting my LP08, as it's original side plate/trigger lever had a very creepy trigger pull as a bonus. The new plate dropped into place, appears like it has always been there and works like a charm.

01-14-2009, 03:57 PM	#15
bergwerk User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: north Posts: 59 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi lugerdoc thanks for that i have sent you an e/mail .