S Link noise

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 11:04 AM

I had field stripped and cleaned a p08 1918 erfurt ( recently purchased and 1st owned ) and was planning on going to the range this week. I thought I followed all instructions carefully. However, last night just by chance I noticed that if I turned the gun upside down or shook it up and down that I could hear a loose part rattling around. I assume it is the S-link moving around.
Is this normal to have that movement?

Appreciate any help

Ron Wood · 01-02-2009, 11:12 AM

No, it iis not normal. Engaging the s-link onto the mainspring transfer lever is tricky and new Luger owners frequently are not able to do this on the first try. Even though you followed the instructions carefully, there is a good chance you missed...give it another try and good luck!

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 11:20 AM

Ron
Thanks..........I am stripping it now to check

lugerholsterrepair · 01-02-2009, 11:59 AM

Herr MCNJ..If the link is not engaged with the mainspring hook the whole toggle will be loose.

Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 01-02-2009, 11:59 AM

Without the S-hook engaged, the only pressure to close the toggle is the firing pin spring... not enough to load cartridges from the magazine or to safely fire anything you managed to chamber... The upper assembly would also be loose and be able to slip forward and backward about half an inch with little or no resistance.

John Sabato · 01-02-2009, 12:00 PM

GOSH that Jerry is fast on the keyboard!

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 12:05 PM

Ron
I went through the motions, but can't see exactly what was wrong. The s link was dropped forward of the recoil.
It is all tight now and operates.

The only thing I noticed ( and I watched the video 3 times ) was that before putting the side plate on.....when I put the mag in and pulled the action up, the top end slid on the frame. I finally pushed it as far back as it could go and it "seemed to lock it". I was then able to install the side plate and it seems fine.

Does that final push back of the top end on the frame lock the s-link?? And if I did not do that the 1st time, could that have caused it??

Any ideas ?? Am I noticing some wear??

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 12:08 PM

Thanks John and Jerry.........I did not see your reply when I responded.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-02-2009, 12:14 PM

Herr MCNJ..When reassembling the pistol, I put the muzzle on a flat surface, graspthe pistol and push down on the muzzle. This pushes the top cannon back and allows the proper installation of the sideplate and locking lever. Once these are in place the top cannon will be pushed forward and in it's proper place by the tension of the mainspring as you release the muzzle from the table.

Jerry Burney

Vlim · 01-02-2009, 12:18 PM

After installation, I tend to work the action by hand some 2 or 3 times, just to make sure the hook connects properly. That usually does the trick.

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 12:21 PM

jerry
So pushing fully back on the cannon activates a locking mech?

I am trying to understand what I may have done wrong.

So if I did not fully push it back, but managed to get the side plate on the 1st time...........could that stay unlocked and have given me the s-link rattling like I had?

Thanks

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 12:22 PM

Really appreciate everyones help! Jerry, John, Vim and Ron

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 12:29 PM

One last question...............Semi related..
While I just had this apart I noticed one additional marking. All the component parts including the grips match the ser#. However, I just noticed that under the sideplate , on the frame, there is a 12 stamped on a curved machined surface. This is not the last two digits of the frame itself.

Thoughts??

Ron Wood · 01-02-2009, 01:04 PM

The 12 is just an inspector's mark and has no relation to the serial number of the gun.

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 01:11 PM

Thanks all................Everyone is very helpful!

lugerholsterrepair · 01-02-2009, 01:24 PM

Herr MCNJ So pushing fully back on the cannon activates a locking mech?

No..When you put the top cannon onto the pistol and slide it towards the back you can observe the toggle connecting link slip UNDER the hook of the main spring. Sliding back the cannon and pushing on the muzzle firmly connects these two under tension. If they are NOT connected you should know immediately as the toggle will be loose and often will break upwards as there is no link to the mainspring to prevent it.
You can disassemble the pistol and reassemble it without pushing the top cannon back. I just tried it. It's more difficult to do however.

Jerry Burney

MCNJ · 01-02-2009, 01:40 PM

Jerry.....Thanks for trying to recreate it. I assume that is what happened the 1st time I assembled it and the link rattled around.

I will get to the range this week and try it out ( 1st time) Hopefully, I will not have any problems.

Mike

01-02-2009, 11:04 AM	#1
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	S Link noise I had field stripped and cleaned a p08 1918 erfurt ( recently purchased and 1st owned ) and was planning on going to the range this week. I thought I followed all instructions carefully. However, last night just by chance I noticed that if I turned the gun upside down or shook it up and down that I could hear a loose part rattling around. I assume it is the S-link moving around. Is this normal to have that movement? Appreciate any help

01-02-2009, 11:12 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	No, it iis not normal. Engaging the s-link onto the mainspring transfer lever is tricky and new Luger owners frequently are not able to do this on the first try. Even though you followed the instructions carefully, there is a good chance you missed...give it another try and good luck! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-02-2009, 11:59 AM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Herr MCNJ..If the link is not engaged with the mainspring hook the whole toggle will be loose. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-02-2009, 11:59 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Without the S-hook engaged, the only pressure to close the toggle is the firing pin spring... not enough to load cartridges from the magazine or to safely fire anything you managed to chamber... The upper assembly would also be loose and be able to slip forward and backward about half an inch with little or no resistance. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-02-2009, 12:00 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	GOSH that Jerry is fast on the keyboard! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-02-2009, 11:20 AM	#3
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ron Thanks..........I am stripping it now to check

01-02-2009, 12:05 PM	#7
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ron I went through the motions, but can't see exactly what was wrong. The s link was dropped forward of the recoil. It is all tight now and operates. The only thing I noticed ( and I watched the video 3 times ) was that before putting the side plate on.....when I put the mag in and pulled the action up, the top end slid on the frame. I finally pushed it as far back as it could go and it "seemed to lock it". I was then able to install the side plate and it seems fine. Does that final push back of the top end on the frame lock the s-link?? And if I did not do that the 1st time, could that have caused it?? Any ideas ?? Am I noticing some wear??

01-02-2009, 12:08 PM	#8
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks John and Jerry.........I did not see your reply when I responded.

01-02-2009, 12:14 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Herr MCNJ..When reassembling the pistol, I put the muzzle on a flat surface, graspthe pistol and push down on the muzzle. This pushes the top cannon back and allows the proper installation of the sideplate and locking lever. Once these are in place the top cannon will be pushed forward and in it's proper place by the tension of the mainspring as you release the muzzle from the table. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-02-2009, 12:18 PM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	After installation, I tend to work the action by hand some 2 or 3 times, just to make sure the hook connects properly. That usually does the trick.

01-02-2009, 12:21 PM	#11
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	jerry So pushing fully back on the cannon activates a locking mech? I am trying to understand what I may have done wrong. So if I did not fully push it back, but managed to get the side plate on the 1st time...........could that stay unlocked and have given me the s-link rattling like I had? Thanks

01-02-2009, 12:22 PM	#12
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Really appreciate everyones help! Jerry, John, Vim and Ron

01-02-2009, 12:29 PM	#13
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	One last question...............Semi related.. While I just had this apart I noticed one additional marking. All the component parts including the grips match the ser#. However, I just noticed that under the sideplate , on the frame, there is a 12 stamped on a curved machined surface. This is not the last two digits of the frame itself. Thoughts??

01-02-2009, 01:04 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	The 12 is just an inspector's mark and has no relation to the serial number of the gun. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-02-2009, 01:11 PM	#15
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks all................Everyone is very helpful!

01-02-2009, 01:24 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Herr MCNJ So pushing fully back on the cannon activates a locking mech? No..When you put the top cannon onto the pistol and slide it towards the back you can observe the toggle connecting link slip UNDER the hook of the main spring. Sliding back the cannon and pushing on the muzzle firmly connects these two under tension. If they are NOT connected you should know immediately as the toggle will be loose and often will break upwards as there is no link to the mainspring to prevent it. You can disassemble the pistol and reassemble it without pushing the top cannon back. I just tried it. It's more difficult to do however. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-02-2009, 01:40 PM	#17
MCNJ User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Jerry.....Thanks for trying to recreate it. I assume that is what happened the 1st time I assembled it and the link rattled around. I will get to the range this week and try it out ( 1st time) Hopefully, I will not have any problems. Mike