ammo help DWM 471-30 cal

policeluger · 10-17-2008, 08:28 PM

I was given two boxes of ammo today, both boxes missing lid....however one is full, one missing a few rounds, Head stamp is marked "DWM 471 and a "k" left and right side"......30 cal, not reloaded, looks to be a steel bullet with a flat lead top.....original boxes have on bottom half " Karlsurhe" on one end and the other "u. munitionstaoriken"....not real sure of spelling because top part of label is gone......can someone tell me what I got here....I can try and post pictures if needed.....thanks

Imperial Arms · 10-18-2008, 05:09 AM

You have received early Luger pistol ammunition made by DWM-Karlshure. If it is carbine ammunition, the tip would normally have a black tip with a cartridge headstamp 471A. To the best of my knowledge, the early boxes themselves are a light greenish color and there are three different types of labels which are green, blue and orange. It is possible that the later boxes (or those for export) produced during 1910-1913 are a light brownish color. If I am correct, the orange label is for hollow point cartridges.

I hope this information is helpful to you. It is a shame that the two boxes are missing the lid which would have boosted their value.

Albert

policeluger · 10-18-2008, 05:27 AM

The bullets do attract a magnet......do they have any collector value as single rounds? it is 471 and not 471A.....thanks

Imperial Arms · 10-18-2008, 12:11 PM

Without a box, I would estimate about $7 a round.

policeluger · 10-18-2008, 01:00 PM

Thank you so much for all your help....

Vlim · 10-18-2008, 06:35 PM

For the record:

The producer is Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken A.G.

DWM (yes, the company that made the original Luger) had an ammunition branch in Karlsruhe, Baden, Germany.

@Albert: Karlshure is something completely different, I don't think Carl's Prostitute was involved in the process.

10-17-2008, 08:28 PM	#1
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	ammo help DWM 471-30 cal I was given two boxes of ammo today, both boxes missing lid....however one is full, one missing a few rounds, Head stamp is marked "DWM 471 and a "k" left and right side"......30 cal, not reloaded, looks to be a steel bullet with a flat lead top.....original boxes have on bottom half " Karlsurhe" on one end and the other "u. munitionstaoriken"....not real sure of spelling because top part of label is gone......can someone tell me what I got here....I can try and post pictures if needed.....thanks

10-18-2008, 05:09 AM	#2
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	You have received early Luger pistol ammunition made by DWM-Karlshure. If it is carbine ammunition, the tip would normally have a black tip with a cartridge headstamp 471A. To the best of my knowledge, the early boxes themselves are a light greenish color and there are three different types of labels which are green, blue and orange. It is possible that the later boxes (or those for export) produced during 1910-1913 are a light brownish color. If I am correct, the orange label is for hollow point cartridges. I hope this information is helpful to you. It is a shame that the two boxes are missing the lid which would have boosted their value. Albert

10-18-2008, 05:27 AM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	The bullets do attract a magnet......do they have any collector value as single rounds? it is 471 and not 471A.....thanks

10-18-2008, 12:11 PM	#4
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Without a box, I would estimate about $7 a round.

10-18-2008, 01:00 PM	#5
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Thank you so much for all your help....

10-18-2008, 06:35 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	For the record: The producer is Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken A.G. DWM (yes, the company that made the original Luger) had an ammunition branch in Karlsruhe, Baden, Germany. @Albert: Karlshure is something completely different, I don't think Carl's Prostitute was involved in the process.