Photo of Luger in Mexican Revolution - Page 2

Levallois · 06-19-2008, 10:31 AM

alanint - Bannerman catalogs are a good idea if I could afford them. I did find out that Lugers are not listed in the Sears 1902 or 1904 catalogs.

raygun- the 1900 Census Average Salary was $449.80 per year. $24.45 was indeed a lot of money for normal folks.

John

bmcgilvray · 06-25-2008, 09:36 AM

Great link to some wonderful old photos. The Savage 99 was a bit different as was the 1917 Enfield held by the woman in front of the box car. If it is of the period then where did that rifle come from?

Ron Smith · 06-25-2008, 11:51 AM

Bryan,

A 1917 could well have been used during the period. Probably stolen from a U.S. Armory or sold on the black market by American gunrunners, or both.

"It progressed into a protracted and complicated civil war. It produced the Mexican Constitution of 1917. The Revolution is generally considered to have lasted until 1920, although the country continued to have sporadic but comparatively minor outbreaks of rebellion in the 1920s, such as the Cristero War. The Revolution triggered the creation of the National Revolutionary Party in 1929".

Ron

alanint · 06-25-2008, 11:55 AM

US military and commertial arms flooded south of the border before, during and after the Mexican revolution. As you can see in some of the photos, Germany sent "observers" there with Maxims and other arms in a bid to secure Mexico as an ally south of the US, who by then was considered a threat to certain European colonial powers.
If what I saw on the street while living there is any indication, (security guards for the armored trucks still carried Thompson SMGs with the 50 round drums!), the Mexican Army's warehouses must be a virtual arms museum.

Sticker · 06-25-2008, 06:15 PM

Howdy

One of those pix (guys with the pith helmets) is Boar war. Wrong continent.

Sticker

alanint · 06-25-2008, 07:04 PM

Actually, no. These are precisely the German "advisers" I mention in my post above, who came to help the Federalist goverment against the revolutionaries in a bid to gain influence on the North American Continent. The photo was taken around Naco, West of Hermosillo, Sonora , Mexico.
Both Germans are named at the bottom of the photo.
Haven't you guys ever watched an old Hollywood Mexican Revolution Movie?
There is always a nasty Prussian baddie in the mix somewhere.

alanint · 06-25-2008, 07:04 PM

Actually, no. These are precisely the German "advisers" I mention in my post above, who came to help the Federalist goverment against the revolutionaries in a bid to gain influence on the North American Continent. The photo was taken around Naco, West of Hermosillo, Sonora , Mexico.
Both Germans are named at the bottom of the photo.
There is even an extant photo of Doroteo Arango, (Pancho Villa) wearing a German Pith Helmet, possibly captured from one of these mercenaries.
Haven't you guys ever watched an old Hollywood Mexican Revolution Movie?
There is always a nasty Prussian baddie in the mix somewhere.

06-25-2008, 11:51 AM	#23
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Bryan, A 1917 could well have been used during the period. Probably stolen from a U.S. Armory or sold on the black market by American gunrunners, or both. "It progressed into a protracted and complicated civil war. It produced the Mexican Constitution of 1917. The Revolution is generally considered to have lasted until 1920, although the country continued to have sporadic but comparatively minor outbreaks of rebellion in the 1920s, such as the Cristero War. The Revolution triggered the creation of the National Revolutionary Party in 1929". Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-19-2008, 10:31 AM	#21
Levallois User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 69 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts	alanint - Bannerman catalogs are a good idea if I could afford them. I did find out that Lugers are not listed in the Sears 1902 or 1904 catalogs. raygun- the 1900 Census Average Salary was $449.80 per year. $24.45 was indeed a lot of money for normal folks. John

06-25-2008, 09:36 AM	#22
bmcgilvray User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Central Texas Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great link to some wonderful old photos. The Savage 99 was a bit different as was the 1917 Enfield held by the woman in front of the box car. If it is of the period then where did that rifle come from?

06-25-2008, 11:55 AM	#24
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	US military and commertial arms flooded south of the border before, during and after the Mexican revolution. As you can see in some of the photos, Germany sent "observers" there with Maxims and other arms in a bid to secure Mexico as an ally south of the US, who by then was considered a threat to certain European colonial powers. If what I saw on the street while living there is any indication, (security guards for the armored trucks still carried Thompson SMGs with the 50 round drums!), the Mexican Army's warehouses must be a virtual arms museum.

06-25-2008, 06:15 PM	#25
Sticker User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Howdy One of those pix (guys with the pith helmets) is Boar war. Wrong continent. Sticker

06-25-2008, 07:04 PM	#26
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Actually, no. These are precisely the German "advisers" I mention in my post above, who came to help the Federalist goverment against the revolutionaries in a bid to gain influence on the North American Continent. The photo was taken around Naco, West of Hermosillo, Sonora , Mexico. Both Germans are named at the bottom of the photo. Haven't you guys ever watched an old Hollywood Mexican Revolution Movie? There is always a nasty Prussian baddie in the mix somewhere.