1914 erfurt arty w/ finetuned front and back

Big Norm · 06-12-2008, 03:20 AM

whcoyote,
a little further correction by me is necessary. All WW1 and earlier navies are called P-04's. But you will frequently hear collectors call the chamber dated 1916 and the 1917 navies as MODEL 1914 navies (note, the word MODEL here and elsewhere). In reality, both chamber dated navies are the same. But the one with the 1916 chamber date is a little harder to find.

A big bugaboo that I have with many people selling artilleries is that some people often refer to all of them as 1914 artilleries. Real collectors will refer to a specific artillery by its chamber date. The chamber dated 1914 DWM LP-08 is a difficult one to find.

The model 1904 is different from all the other model P-04's. Very few were manufactured because it was mainly used as a training tool by the German navy. When the model 1906 came out, many of the model 1904's were converted to the model 1906. Very few of the original model 1904's exist. (Like maybe two) Ron is right when he talked about the conversion of the model 1904 to the model 1906. But one thing that he missed in his fine write-up was that the barrel of the model 1904 was like a pencil in that it was not tapered like all remaining P-04's produced were.

Then there are what I call transition years for all P-08's, LP-08's and P-04's. Rons mention of what he called the model 1914 P-08 would be called a model 1913 P-08 transition year by me. That is because the changes that Ron mentioned occurred sometime during 1913. So there is an early and a late model 1913 P-08 with many of the early 1913's having the hold open added sometime in their lives on some of them.

The transition year for the P-04 would be the non-chamber dated model 1908. During that model there was a conversion from what is called a long frame to the short frame on the commercial P-04's but not the military/navy model 1908's. The change was the elimination of the grip safety and a slight change in the breech block to accommodate the slight change in the frame. The chamber date was added in the model 1914 P-04 of chamber dated years 1916 and 1917.

The transition year for the LP-08 artillery was 1917. During that chamber dated year, the front and rear adjustable sight screws were removed. Inventory of the front and rear sights where used up so some 1917 LP-08's might have an either/or situation with these sights. There was a slight change in the rear sight of the model 1918 LP-08.

Geez, I hope that Jan Still doesn't get mad at me for writing this book.

Big Norm

06-12-2008, 03:20 AM	#9
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	whcoyote, a little further correction by me is necessary. All WW1 and earlier navies are called P-04's. But you will frequently hear collectors call the chamber dated 1916 and the 1917 navies as MODEL 1914 navies (note, the word MODEL here and elsewhere). In reality, both chamber dated navies are the same. But the one with the 1916 chamber date is a little harder to find. A big bugaboo that I have with many people selling artilleries is that some people often refer to all of them as 1914 artilleries. Real collectors will refer to a specific artillery by its chamber date. The chamber dated 1914 DWM LP-08 is a difficult one to find. The model 1904 is different from all the other model P-04's. Very few were manufactured because it was mainly used as a training tool by the German navy. When the model 1906 came out, many of the model 1904's were converted to the model 1906. Very few of the original model 1904's exist. (Like maybe two) Ron is right when he talked about the conversion of the model 1904 to the model 1906. But one thing that he missed in his fine write-up was that the barrel of the model 1904 was like a pencil in that it was not tapered like all remaining P-04's produced were. Then there are what I call transition years for all P-08's, LP-08's and P-04's. Rons mention of what he called the model 1914 P-08 would be called a model 1913 P-08 transition year by me. That is because the changes that Ron mentioned occurred sometime during 1913. So there is an early and a late model 1913 P-08 with many of the early 1913's having the hold open added sometime in their lives on some of them. The transition year for the P-04 would be the non-chamber dated model 1908. During that model there was a conversion from what is called a long frame to the short frame on the commercial P-04's but not the military/navy model 1908's. The change was the elimination of the grip safety and a slight change in the breech block to accommodate the slight change in the frame. The chamber date was added in the model 1914 P-04 of chamber dated years 1916 and 1917. The transition year for the LP-08 artillery was 1917. During that chamber dated year, the front and rear adjustable sight screws were removed. Inventory of the front and rear sights where used up so some 1917 LP-08's might have an either/or situation with these sights. There was a slight change in the rear sight of the model 1918 LP-08. Geez, I hope that Jan Still doesn't get mad at me for writing this book. Big Norm