Have Luger,Need Help - Page 2

drfixer · 06-04-2008, 05:35 PM

Please forgive me, I was NOT unhappy with the other folks description and evaluation and I apologize if I gave that impression. I will post more pictures so you can see what they saw and what I would like to discuss. I know it is refinished and I was pretty sure the parts were from different pistols. What I would like to know is how did someone remove the proof marks without removing metal on the top of the chamber area. The 41 appears sharp and clear. I also miked the receiver at the barrel end and back at the rear, they are the same .940.

drfixer · 06-04-2008, 05:57 PM

I am trying to read all the replies and I am a terrible typer so please forgive me if I don't answer all the questions right away. The toggle is 42 marked, I didn't get
that picture up yet. Under the barrel is the serial no. 2382 and under that is 8,83. I was surprised to see two different kinds of number 3. The receiver has a flat top 3 and the frame a round one. Does this happen, ever?? also, the trigger is not strawed, it is chrome plated. It does have the correct number,82,though.

LugerVern · 06-04-2008, 08:09 PM

Dave

How interesting about the chrome trigger! I also think I see remnants of chrome on the right tip of the take down lever.

It is possible that the entire gun was chromed at one time, pretty common for returning vets to have this done to war trophies. We see them on the forum occasionally. Then someone much later realizing that the gun might have some collector value removed the chrome plating. Chrome or nickel plating is hard on gun surfaces, they need to be polished and even acid dipped to get a mirror like surface and this removes metal and would degrade any marking then the removal process would again degrade the markings. This would explain many things.

I am guessing here, but finding chrome on your gun in more than one place with correct SN's---could be!

The different fonts are pretty common on Mauser's and nothing to worry about.

Question: When you disassembled your gun, do you see any more chrome?

Vern

drfixer · 06-04-2008, 09:38 PM

No Vern, there is no other part chromed except the trigger. What really bothers me is that the proof marks are missing and even under high magnification with a 20 power loop, there is nothing to suggest there ever was any. There is also the double stamp on the front of the receiver. To the naked eye it is perfect but with even the camera in macro it shows. On the plus side, the chamber is really good and the bore shows a slight graying in the grooves with sharp lands. A shooter it is. It came with a real nice black holster 2 mags and a loading tool. I believe the holster is genuine. On the other board a member looked up the markings and this is what he said
Made 1940 Otto Reichel assigned WaA300 1939 to 1941 in Lengefeld.
The tool has no markings at all. Sorry to be so windy.

John Sabato · 06-04-2008, 11:05 PM

The metal in the area of the chamber has been altered. The chamfers of the upper lines as they head toward the chamber have all but been removed by the polishing process.

It was the lack of sharp definition in this area that resulted in my first comment. apparently the right side was ground/sanded down before refinishing which removed the proof marks. The 41 over the chamber is not sharp, but is still readable. The 41 Lugers I have examined and owned had very distinctive year stamps over the chamber and would have been very hard to remove.

LugerVern · 06-05-2008, 06:41 AM

Dave

Are you sure that the end of the take down lever is not chromed? I can see your reflection in it, its all most like a mirror. Doesn't look like the rest of the gun at all.

If you do a search for this thread you will fine a few pictures of a 41-42 luger--you will see what John is talking about as to how sharp these stamps should be "41 - 42 Grip Question"

I know nothing about holsters, so will let others comment on it.

Thanks for posting, did we answer your questions?

Vern

drfixer · 06-05-2008, 06:52 AM

Thank you all for the information. What is , is. As to the take down lever, unless it is black chrome, no chrome there. I see what you mean about shiny, I guess who ever did the original refinish and blue, really polished the lever. Thanks again. Perhaps the holster will turn out better.

LugerVern · 06-05-2008, 07:28 AM

Dave

We are glad to help, that holster is a beauty!!!! Not many like that around, take care of it, with lots of pride

Several post here about how to take care of them.

If you had thoughts of getting a better luger, you might think of posting here in the WTT/WTB section. You have a lot of bargaining power in that holster.

Vern

drfixer · 06-05-2008, 08:35 PM

Mr Sabato, I meant no disrespect to you or any of the folks on the other forum.
If I gave that impression, I surely apologize. I thought I was banned from the other forum. I now know they were having problems. As to my pistol, I know that it has been altered and that it has no collector value. I am not in despair as I made a good trade and it should be a good shooter. I will redo the metal work to sharpen up the corners as much as possible and then re blue. If it is ok with you folks, I will post as to progress. Thanks again to all.

John Sabato · 06-06-2008, 10:34 AM

Not sure why you responded about disrespect... I don't see that in any of your postings....

There is no need to sharpen any corners on your shooter... I just mentioned the details that convinced me that your gun has been refinished. I wouldn't do a thing to it... it has a lot of character, and will make a fine shooter.

That is a VERY fine looking holster. My recommendations for it is to keep it stuffed full of bubble wrap or newspaper, place some folded newspaper (about a belt thickness) in the belt loops to keep them from going flat. Fold some newspaper or create a wooden mock magazine to keep the mag pocket shape and store it in a cool and dry place as possible---maybe even a ziplock bag with a fresh dessicant bag would be best. I thin the holster's value will double in the next ten years and be worth more than your shooter.

DO NOT STORE THE PISTOL IN THE HOLSTER... any moisture wicked by the leather will cause the pistol to rust where it touches the holster.

If you do choose to refinish your Luger, many on the forum, including myself, like to see the "before", During and "after" photo progress reports...

06-04-2008, 05:35 PM	#21
drfixer User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Please forgive me, I was NOT unhappy with the other folks description and evaluation and I apologize if I gave that impression. I will post more pictures so you can see what they saw and what I would like to discuss. I know it is refinished and I was pretty sure the parts were from different pistols. What I would like to know is how did someone remove the proof marks without removing metal on the top of the chamber area. The 41 appears sharp and clear. I also miked the receiver at the barrel end and back at the rear, they are the same .940. __________________ DR COOK

06-04-2008, 05:57 PM	#22
drfixer User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am trying to read all the replies and I am a terrible typer so please forgive me if I don't answer all the questions right away. The toggle is 42 marked, I didn't get that picture up yet. Under the barrel is the serial no. 2382 and under that is 8,83. I was surprised to see two different kinds of number 3. The receiver has a flat top 3 and the frame a round one. Does this happen, ever?? also, the trigger is not strawed, it is chrome plated. It does have the correct number,82,though. __________________ DR COOK

06-04-2008, 09:38 PM	#24
drfixer User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No Vern, there is no other part chromed except the trigger. What really bothers me is that the proof marks are missing and even under high magnification with a 20 power loop, there is nothing to suggest there ever was any. There is also the double stamp on the front of the receiver. To the naked eye it is perfect but with even the camera in macro it shows. On the plus side, the chamber is really good and the bore shows a slight graying in the grooves with sharp lands. A shooter it is. It came with a real nice black holster 2 mags and a loading tool. I believe the holster is genuine. On the other board a member looked up the markings and this is what he said Made 1940 Otto Reichel assigned WaA300 1939 to 1941 in Lengefeld. The tool has no markings at all. Sorry to be so windy. __________________ DR COOK

06-04-2008, 11:05 PM	#25
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	The metal in the area of the chamber has been altered. The chamfers of the upper lines as they head toward the chamber have all but been removed by the polishing process. It was the lack of sharp definition in this area that resulted in my first comment. apparently the right side was ground/sanded down before refinishing which removed the proof marks. The 41 over the chamber is not sharp, but is still readable. The 41 Lugers I have examined and owned had very distinctive year stamps over the chamber and would have been very hard to remove. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-05-2008, 06:52 AM	#27
drfixer User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all for the information. What is , is. As to the take down lever, unless it is black chrome, no chrome there. I see what you mean about shiny, I guess who ever did the original refinish and blue, really polished the lever. Thanks again. Perhaps the holster will turn out better. __________________ DR COOK

06-04-2008, 08:09 PM	#23
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Dave How interesting about the chrome trigger! I also think I see remnants of chrome on the right tip of the take down lever. It is possible that the entire gun was chromed at one time, pretty common for returning vets to have this done to war trophies. We see them on the forum occasionally. Then someone much later realizing that the gun might have some collector value removed the chrome plating. Chrome or nickel plating is hard on gun surfaces, they need to be polished and even acid dipped to get a mirror like surface and this removes metal and would degrade any marking then the removal process would again degrade the markings. This would explain many things. I am guessing here, but finding chrome on your gun in more than one place with correct SN's---could be! The different fonts are pretty common on Mauser's and nothing to worry about. Question: When you disassembled your gun, do you see any more chrome? Vern

06-05-2008, 06:41 AM	#26
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Dave Are you sure that the end of the take down lever is not chromed? I can see your reflection in it, its all most like a mirror. Doesn't look like the rest of the gun at all. If you do a search for this thread you will fine a few pictures of a 41-42 luger--you will see what John is talking about as to how sharp these stamps should be "41 - 42 Grip Question" I know nothing about holsters, so will let others comment on it. Thanks for posting, did we answer your questions? Vern

06-05-2008, 07:28 AM	#28
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Dave We are glad to help, that holster is a beauty!!!! Not many like that around, take care of it, with lots of pride Several post here about how to take care of them. If you had thoughts of getting a better luger, you might think of posting here in the WTT/WTB section. You have a lot of bargaining power in that holster. Vern

06-05-2008, 08:35 PM	#29
drfixer User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mr Sabato, I meant no disrespect to you or any of the folks on the other forum. If I gave that impression, I surely apologize. I thought I was banned from the other forum. I now know they were having problems. As to my pistol, I know that it has been altered and that it has no collector value. I am not in despair as I made a good trade and it should be a good shooter. I will redo the metal work to sharpen up the corners as much as possible and then re blue. If it is ok with you folks, I will post as to progress. Thanks again to all. __________________ DR COOK

06-06-2008, 10:34 AM	#30
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Not sure why you responded about disrespect... I don't see that in any of your postings.... There is no need to sharpen any corners on your shooter... I just mentioned the details that convinced me that your gun has been refinished. I wouldn't do a thing to it... it has a lot of character, and will make a fine shooter. That is a VERY fine looking holster. My recommendations for it is to keep it stuffed full of bubble wrap or newspaper, place some folded newspaper (about a belt thickness) in the belt loops to keep them from going flat. Fold some newspaper or create a wooden mock magazine to keep the mag pocket shape and store it in a cool and dry place as possible---maybe even a ziplock bag with a fresh dessicant bag would be best. I thin the holster's value will double in the next ten years and be worth more than your shooter. DO NOT STORE THE PISTOL IN THE HOLSTER... any moisture wicked by the leather will cause the pistol to rust where it touches the holster. If you do choose to refinish your Luger, many on the forum, including myself, like to see the "before", During and "after" photo progress reports... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*