Black Widow Photo

rttwlrby · 11-22-2007, 11:07 PM

Ralph S. refers to this byf 41 P.08, after a certain arachnid.

Edward Tinker · 11-22-2007, 11:56 PM

well, I am NOT a big fan of the "black widow" name, but that is too cool. Well done

Ed

RylanBrissette · 11-23-2007, 02:23 AM

To be honest, I like the name. I know, I know, it is incorrect but is pretty cool none the less.

This is a newbie question, but why was the specific name "black widow" chosen. I have heard it was just a marketing gimic to make it more desirable, but how does the name relate to the luger other than the "black" part?

Edward Tinker · 11-23-2007, 10:20 AM

what the hell does jesse jackson got to do with this topic

Sounds a bit racist and that is not apprecaited on this forum

The "navy" and the Artillery" are two Names folks stuck on them from europe, and although mostly correct, the artillery was used by more than just the artillery corp. So, naming of lugers might be incorrect, but I don't think we chastise those who do...

Historically, which is what byf was asking; the rumour was that the "black widow" was for SS officers, and as their uniform was all black, fit into their uniform better. All hogwash; so although the name might sound cool; it is an incorrect and thus mistake to perpetuate the myth of somehting incorrect (I will use the phrase at times, so folks will know what I am talking about).

Same reason folks call all undated Simsons "model 1923", no such 'model' designation. Or write it as simpson, ignorance, they simply don't know any better.

Ed

wlyon · 11-23-2007, 11:19 AM

I think that we in the luger collecting world should attempt to eliminate the term Black Widow. At least we should try and avoid using it. Bill

rttwlrby · 11-23-2007, 01:25 PM

Is it so WRONG to refer to a 71/2" Colt SAA as a "Hogleg"??

just to add to the controversy..

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/arachnid_p.08_.jpg

In fact, you shouldn't endorse the name of this forum "Lugerforum", because in REALITY it is the "P.08forum"

see how messy it could get???

Rod WMG · 11-23-2007, 03:23 PM

Dogleg?

Edward Tinker · 11-23-2007, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rttwlrby

In fact, you shouldn't endorse the name of this forum "Lugerforum", because in REALITY it is the "P.08forum"

see how messy it could get???

no, you are wrong. The Luger was a trade name for the USA by Tauscher and then by Stoeger; and only for P08 German Lugers is P08 correct. This forum covers Swiss, Dutch, etc and none of them are called P08.

rttwlrby · 11-23-2007, 04:10 PM

Yes Ed, technically then you are correct. I defer to your judgement, as you are far more experienced in this particular pistol then as am I.

thegundude · 11-23-2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tacfoley
... bearing in mind that when I was in Washington DC recently last year I was loudly criticised in a US State Department establishment for asking for a black coffee, and was told to read a poster asking people to request 'non-white coffee'...

ROTFLMAO!!!

rttwlrby · 11-23-2007, 04:16 PM

l m a o....tac, now that's funny.!
This is why i wish to own a Simson Luger so much. The historical ties to our culture, and this manufacturer.

Vlim · 11-23-2007, 04:35 PM

DWM lugers until 1930 are not too bad in that case, Tac:

DWM and Mauser were in the hands of Ludwig Loewe & Cie until around 1929. And the Loewe family was, like Simson, of Jewish origin.

Vlim · 11-23-2007, 04:35 PM

hmm, hit the reply button twice...

Edward Tinker · 11-23-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rttwlrby
l m a o....tac, now that's funny.!
This is why i wish to own a Simson Luger so much. The historical ties to our culture, and this manufacturer.

you do realize it was you that I sent a PM too about Simson's?

rttwlrby · 11-23-2007, 07:16 PM

Ed,
Hi and thanks for the message...I didn't even realize where to access messages before, but again, you have now brought me up to speed.
Thanks for the tip.

383 magnum · 11-24-2007, 12:33 PM

Nicknames for certain firearms, like 'em or not are here to stay. Another controversial nickname is the "Schmeisser" moniker given to the MP40 during WWII. That one makes the purists go ballistic and will get you flamed if you use it on some forums.
I don't have a problem with the Schmeisser nickname because it was coined during the war and although technically incorrect, it is part of the weapon's history.
I agree with Tac on the Black Widow moniker. Probably a marketing ploy.

11-22-2007, 11:07 PM	#1
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Black Widow Photo Ralph S. refers to this byf 41 P.08, after a certain arachnid.

11-22-2007, 11:56 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	well, I am NOT a big fan of the "black widow" name, but that is too cool. Well done Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-23-2007, 10:20 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	what the hell does jesse jackson got to do with this topic Sounds a bit racist and that is not apprecaited on this forum The "navy" and the Artillery" are two Names folks stuck on them from europe, and although mostly correct, the artillery was used by more than just the artillery corp. So, naming of lugers might be incorrect, but I don't think we chastise those who do... Historically, which is what byf was asking; the rumour was that the "black widow" was for SS officers, and as their uniform was all black, fit into their uniform better. All hogwash; so although the name might sound cool; it is an incorrect and thus mistake to perpetuate the myth of somehting incorrect (I will use the phrase at times, so folks will know what I am talking about). Same reason folks call all undated Simsons "model 1923", no such 'model' designation. Or write it as simpson, ignorance, they simply don't know any better. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-23-2007, 11:19 AM	#5
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,145 Thanked 2,531 Times in 943 Posts	I think that we in the luger collecting world should attempt to eliminate the term Black Widow. At least we should try and avoid using it. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

11-23-2007, 01:25 PM	#6
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	names.... Is it so WRONG to refer to a 71/2" Colt SAA as a "Hogleg"?? just to add to the controversy.. http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/arachnid_p.08_.jpg In fact, you shouldn't endorse the name of this forum "Lugerforum", because in REALITY it is the "P.08forum" see how messy it could get???

11-23-2007, 02:23 AM	#3
RylanBrissette User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 189 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	To be honest, I like the name. I know, I know, it is incorrect but is pretty cool none the less. This is a newbie question, but why was the specific name "black widow" chosen. I have heard it was just a marketing gimic to make it more desirable, but how does the name relate to the luger other than the "black" part?

11-23-2007, 03:23 PM	#7
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dogleg?

11-23-2007, 04:10 PM	#9
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanx Ed.. Yes Ed, technically then you are correct. I defer to your judgement, as you are far more experienced in this particular pistol then as am I.

11-23-2007, 04:16 PM	#11
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The "ALL DARK COLOR LUGER" l m a o....tac, now that's funny.! This is why i wish to own a Simson Luger so much. The historical ties to our culture, and this manufacturer.

11-23-2007, 04:35 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,049 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,952 Times in 1,199 Posts	DWM lugers until 1930 are not too bad in that case, Tac: DWM and Mauser were in the hands of Ludwig Loewe & Cie until around 1929. And the Loewe family was, like Simson, of Jewish origin.

11-23-2007, 07:16 PM	#15
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, Hi and thanks for the message...I didn't even realize where to access messages before, but again, you have now brought me up to speed. Thanks for the tip.

11-24-2007, 12:33 PM	#16
383 magnum User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 120 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Nicknames for certain firearms, like 'em or not are here to stay. Another controversial nickname is the "Schmeisser" moniker given to the MP40 during WWII. That one makes the purists go ballistic and will get you flamed if you use it on some forums. I don't have a problem with the Schmeisser nickname because it was coined during the war and although technically incorrect, it is part of the weapon's history. I agree with Tac on the Black Widow moniker. Probably a marketing ploy.